Incredible Gun Rights Video: Michigan Sheriff’s Deputy Arrests Man for Having an Unloaded Shotgun on His Own Property

Incredible Gun Rights Video: Michigan Sheriff’s Deputy Arrests Man for Having an Unloaded Shotgun on His Own Property

 

Yesterday, a veteran named Thomas Donald published a YouTube video that shows his forcible detention at the hands of Michigan Sheriff’s Deputies. 

What was his crime?  He was carrying an unloaded shotgun on his own property after calling the police to remove an unwelcome trespasser from his land, reports The Blaze.

Mrs. Donald began recording the incident and the deputies demanded that she stop recording and delete the footage.

Mrs. Donald listened to their instructions and later retrieved the video.  Here’s the 36 second video that Crawford County deputies don’t want you to see:

http://youtu.be/kjIAPZMGcdI

According to The Blaze, the family had numerous signs posted around their 10 acre property that said “No Trespassing.”

After Mr. Donald and his 11 year-old son returned from a hunting trip, they noticed a suspicious dirtbike rider on their land.  They detained him and called the deputies.

Soon after he placed the call, Mr. Donald saw the deputies coming. He peacefully raised his open shotgun in one hand and held the shell in the other to show the deputies that he presented no threat.

In a cruel twist of logic and reason, Mr. Donald was treated like a criminal – not the trespasser!

UPDATE: A legal defense fund and advocacy group has just been set up to help Thomas Donald defend himself and his family against the deputies’ unconstitutional assault on his Second Amendment rights.  If you would like to learn more, here’s the Facebook page.

 

 

 

 
  • Derpopolis

    Fucking pigs. Find out who they are, who is their superior, and kill them all.

    • Bob_Knows

      Your local pigs are the biggest terrorist gang in the US.

    • HLain

      Yep, no doubt about it, THEY are the crazy ones! You go ahead and do that, I think I’ll pass.

    • CSHJ

      I hope you don’t call yourself a conservative nor a Republican! You’re just a little too far out there. Just because no one can see your face doesn’t mean that “someone” out there doesn’t know who you are and they just might send someone to YOUR house. Ya know what I mean? Keep it cool and keep it classy. this is neither.

      • Paul Wappler

        And threatening that someone might come to your house is classy CSHJ?

  • Bob_Knows

    He is lucky to be alive. The Swine are the sworn enemies of all free men. NEVER, not ever, call the pigs for any reason. A Pastor near here (Creach) called the Sheriff here because of trespassers, so the deputy showed up and assassinated the Pastor, shoot first and ask questions later. NEVER call the pigs, not even to tell them they are late for doughnuts. Their job is to attack and destroy as many men as they can. They are your enemy, not your friend.

    • HLain

      So how many times have you been arrested and how much time have you done? Let me guess: Manufacture and Distribution of Methamphetamine.

      • Paul Wappler

        Wow, refer to the post at the beginning of this thread where i call you an idiot, so I don’t have to write it out again. God damn, how stupid can you sound? You just guessed this guy was arrested for saying cops shot a pastor? Where did you draw that conclusion you stateist moron? Then you have the nerve to call out the author for misusing arrested and detained, then called half the people here wanna be badasses. Dude, go play in some fucking traffic, please.

        • HLain

          No, I implied that he probably has reason to hate LE because his rant was pretty much exactly the type of thing I’ve heard from ex-cons before and he sounded about as rational as your typical tweeker. Probably MORE then half of the people I’ve read on this thread today ARE wanna be badasses. What’s your point? Typical comment today: “I would have shot the scum and buried him where he fell.” For riding a dirt bike across your property? Sure you would have Jethro. What you really would have done was run in the house and hide under the bed. Go play in some fucking traffic? Now THAT is original. How old are you? 12?

      • hayjim

        HLain-Bob has a point. This is happening over and over. What right did they have to make her stop videoing? You are delusional.

        • HLain

          They didn’t have any right to make her stop the video. I never said they did.That doesn’t mean “Bob” is any better by raving like a lunatic. All things like “Bob” accomplish is to give liberals more ammunition in their fight to take away our 2nd amendment rights. Would you hand “Bob” a gun after hearing that childish rant? I sure as hell wouldn’t. The only “point” Bo has is on the top of his head.

          • Jimmy Pilkenton

            I would…Bob is exactly what this country needs…just like the colonists that stood against the tyranny of the English King and his pigs!

          • HLain

            We already have too many like Bob. That’s why all of the nutcases are losing it and killing whole groups of people and not only killing innocent people but also giving the liberals more ammunition to help them take away our guns. Bob has nothing in common with the colonists that rebelled against England and you insult them by the comparison. If Bob had been around at the time ranting like he is now they would have put him in jail and thrown away the key. (You do realize that people like Bob are all talk and no action. right? Bob’s idea of rebellion probably involves robbing a convenience store.)

        • Dale Cordell

          They had no rights to stop the video, whatsoever. Anyone who disagrees, needs to move to Korea and enjoy their police state mentality. Viva La Revolution!!

    • greg

      wow sounds like you need some anger management help,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  • Gregg Mcphedrain

    another fine incident brought to you by GED holding morons – with badges –
    way to go MICHIGAN – showing just how dumb you are…

    • Michael Tiderington

      Watch your mouth. You’re state is obviously just as dumb. The best part is, I don’t need to know where you’re from because this is happening all around the country, even your “smart” state, and it’s happening more and more. You obviously would love a police state so keep that awesome attitude of yours to yourself. Traitor. Anyone who decides to reply is more than likely going to tell me to calm myself or one good one is “You don’t know what you’re talking about”. Me, I’ve been calm for WAY too long and so has everyone else. We need to stop taking videos and posting them to our social pages. We already know there is something wrong here and every where else and it needs to change. We all know who is responsible for not only this, but everything else that is slowly happening to this country. If you people are all for liberty and justice then where is it?

      • iueras

        How in the FUCK is a man calling these and other pigs like them out across the country someone who “obviously would love a police state”? I mean… shit. I don’t even know how to respond to that level of illiteracy and idiocy.

        And here’s an interesting fact for you, dumbass: police departments across the country have for years had a POLICY against hiring candidates with an IQ of over about 110-115. The reason? Anyone smarter usually winds up leaving the force quickly and the money spent on training was wasted.

        Report from 2000: http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

        If you actually read the report (if you can), it goes into both specific department’s policies and the nationwide average score from cops who actually get the jobs. The result? About IQ 104 on average nationwide.

        Refute that, you low-brow jackass.

        • Michael Tiderington

          You and those who share your opinion are the exact reason why this country is getting worse and worse. Too smart to be a cop? Humor me… If we had more smart cops, the above video would probably not even exist because it wouldn’t have happened the way it did. Insulting my intelligence is only making you look ignorant and blind. I bet you also think that terrorists are to blame for 9/11 too, right? I thought so. This country of ours deserves more…

          • iueras

            Holy SHIT your reading comprehension is probably the worst I have ever seen. TWICE now you have read a post and taken the exact opposite meaning from it, even when the point is made in a very NOT subtle way. I’m done here, you are too fucking stupid to waste any more time on.

        • jollyhollyjo

          Yes, I just read that report. ABCNews also has a story about a police candidate who sued and lost because he was discriminated against because he was too smart to be a cop. It explains alot. lol!

        • Dale Cordell

          My IQ is much too high to be a piglet. THANK GOD!!!
          I’d actually thought about being a cop at one time. I went into human service jobs instead. ( Not that they paid better, by any means!! ) I could, at least, go home and look myself in the mirror and shave, without wanting to cut my own throat.

        • Jimmy Pilkenton

          hahahahahahahah…totally awesome…you just owned that dumb bastard!

  • Gary More

    what a bunch of ass licking obama assholes they are.

    • Gavin John Campbell

      so why are they obama assholes? i doubt they’ve ever even met obama.

      • Carl Maquar

        Gavin John Cambell Yeah but i bet you did meet Barack O’bozoclause in the voteing booth, so STFU you idiot!!

        • Gavin John Campbell

          such hostility…actually I was too busy In japan, you know, being in the marine corps, when he got elected. you’re welcome. nice try though.

      • jollyhollyjo

        The chief of police is a ‘political appointee’ and he hires the policemen. We don’t trust politicians!

        • Lunkster

          These are Sheriffs Deputies. They are hired by the Sheriff, who is elected. Unlike police officers, Sheriffs swear an oath to uphold the constitution. That would include the 1st amendment (free speech) 4th amendment (protection against illegal search and SEIZURE) and of course, the 2nd amendment (the right to keep and bear arms). All 3 of which they just trampled on as demonstrated in this video.

          • greg

            you sound like a liberal attorney,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,which is why this country is in the shape its in……………i would love to see how many of you cry and beg for help should all police officers go on strike for one week and let the scum bags have their way, then you might understand what really goes on out in the real world 24/7

          • jollyhollyjo

            I bet this landowner doesn’t call them again. Good job!

          • Dale Cordell

            I enjoy my 2nd Amendment rights. I don’t fear criminals. If a criminal has even ONE brain cell that works properly, they had better damned well FEAR ME.
            Greg… you are totally ridiculous. I can’t even believe I’m posting a response to your trolling, here. Well… this is the last one. I think I’ve made my point…. whether you agree or not. So stick that in your liberal dope pipe and smoke it.

          • Greg Marhenke

            Greg, Please stop embarrassing yourself and us other Gregs. People would be just fine on their own property with their own gun should the police go on strike for a week. Just let them have their gun. These depady dawg depuddies had no right to take this man’s gun and cuff him. If they feared for their lives they should have taken the trespasser into custody and left. Sheesh LLL FFFF

          • Lunkster

            So because I paid attention during high school and actually recognize tyranny when I see it, I have to be a liberal attorney ? ? Read the constitution genius. It doesn’t require a law degree to understand, It’s written in plain English. Pay specific attention to the the sections I’ve outlined above and maybe you too will see what any common sense person (99% of the people posting here) sees. Then do a little research in history (specifically 1935 – 1939 Germany) and put 2 and 2 together. I have several respectable law enforcement officers in my family who all agree that these 2 jokes in this video are acting illegally. BTW I am an engineer and am planning for the day when the role of police will change from “To serve and protect” to “To control and to seize”.

          • Jimmy Pilkenton

            Never needed to call one and the second amendment is what protects me…not some fkn idiot who thinks he is king kong!…go eff urself

          • John Kettunen

            the streets would be safer A-Hole. The criminals wouldn’t have the protection of the police. And at that point when they threaten me or my family justice would be served!!!

          • jollyhollyjo

            Apparently, the people need to elect a new Sheriff. That was my point.

        • Gavin John Campbell

          who is “we”? because i don’t trust politicians either. That’s no reason to start finger-pointing and name calling. Saying that because someone is decidedly republican or democrat, they are stupid, is like saying that because you like Machiavelli’s writings more than Nietzsche’s, you’re incompetent. the operative word is “politicians” not trusting “politicians” this isn’t about “liberals” or “conservatives”, just “politicians”

      • handyman8672

        Obviously they are liberals, Conservatives use more common sense than was shown in this case, hense the Obama ass licking reference.

        • Gavin John Campbell

          hahahahaha! talk about a bias.

      • William F

        They probably can’t stand Obama. They are just plain idiots.

    • Paul Wappler

      ass licking assholes. funny thought.

  • Jim Turner

    Clearly this deputy was out of line, but …
    Don’t condemn all law officers for the bad acts of a few, and I’ll refrain from categorizing Derpopolis and Bob_Knows as neanderthal, mouth-breathing, oxygen thieves having cognitive development on par with a houseplant.

    • mgmu

      I owe nothing to them. Their default is to think and react as you are criminal, and I will do the same with them.

      • HLain

        That should work out well. The next time a cop pulls a gun on you just go ahead and whip out your own.

        • Jimmy Pilkenton

          That’s what its gonna take!

    • Connie Alsip

      Aw, go ahead. They deserve it!

    • Blake

      People are condemming police officers generally because this isnt the work of the few…. Police are doing this routinely everywhere everyday….

      “THE FEW” are the good Police officers who actually protect the public by respecting the laws & our rights instead of knowlingly abusing those.

      • ‘Scott Gunn’

        umm What he said agree 100%

    • Paul Wappler

      Let’s see, been arrested 6 times, 5 out of the six were unconstitutional breaches of authority. I’d have to say more shit heads than “good cops” is the ratio being demonstrated. so get over the fact people see the police force for what it really is, a group of organized fucking thugs. Please and thank you =D

    • ‘Scott Gunn’

      I love your reply and I have the utmost respect for GOOD leo but I have to disagree that it is a FEW officers, as in my experience it is the prevailing atitude amongst them

  • Steve White

    how about a little more INFO like the name of the county or the cops name…come on guys get with it

    • Justin Hephner

      “Here’s the video Crawford County deputies dont want you to see” …they did put the name of the county…near the beginning of the article..might help to read the whole article before you criticize what it doesnt have..just saying

    • Thomas Donald

      The county was Crawford County, Michigan. The deputies involved are Dep. Shawn Schnoor, the one by the man in the chair, and Dep. Ryan Swope, the first one seen in the video standing over the home owner…me.

  • Randell

    Those people holding a badge. Those two should be charged with assault first of all. She had ALL the right in the world to video record anything she wanted on her property and the officer was A: assaulting her B: breaking a fundamental law of free speech, unlawful search/seizure and infringing the 2nd big time.

    • Don Lanpher

      They should sue bigtime and don’t forget to recover couirt costs………..

    • Paul Wappler

      she has just as much the right to do it in public as well, the fact that she was on her own property is an absolutely atrocious breach of civil liberty and should scare the living hell out of citizens watching the police just do whatever they FEEL like, instead of actually working within regulations.

    • greg

      well its very obvious as usual that we have people talking that have no idea what they are talking bout. first of all the deputies were called there by the owner. next when an officer is there for a lawful reason they are in charge legally of everything that goes on. but most of all their safety is priority, ESPECIALLY when weapons are involved. ask yourself this: if you were in their shoes would you like to leave there safely when its all over, and you think your wife or husband would like for you to come home. people need to get off their high horse about their RIGHTS, if you use commone sense when dealing with the law 99% of the time you probably wont have any problems????

      • Rusty

        Let me guess! you are a cop—AKA Storm Trooper!

        • Jimmy Pilkenton

          Ya think?…hahahahah

      • Susan Mireles

        Retired LE officer here. You are dead wrong.

        That woman has every right to video and photograph officers and especially when they are on her property. If anyone doesn’t know what they are talking about, it’s you, Greg.

        The officers had the situation under control and the badge-heavy rookie who told her to stop filming, needs to be removed from the job, immediately.

        • greg

          typical female cop mentality,,,,,,,,,,,,,,good thing your retired let me guess a city cop no doubt!!!!!!!

          • ‘Scott Gunn’

            Greg I see mall security in your future WHEN you get busted for abusing your authority. Remember this comment when you are eating lunch in the food court and if you feel the need to put me in my place come look me up without the badge you hide behind and we can “discuss” things

          • Dale Cordell

            Greggy poo, you are in idiot. When a police state exists, you will fit right in. I forever stand by my comment above.

          • Jimmy Pilkenton

            cops like you are why we hate them all!

          • Gavin John Campbell

            you’re*

        • Chris Dodson

          Greg,you’re not only an idiot but a bootlicker too.

      • pdigaudio

        You as well as the jackbooted thugs in the video (all that’s missing are the Nazi bucket helmets — they belong in 1930s Germany) are no doubt Obama sycophants.

      • June

        What u think the law has a right to do what ever they please just because they have a badge?

        • greg

          let us look at it this way,,,,,,,,,,,for all those citizens out there that think the world is a rosey place. do you go to your doctor and tell them what shape your in or what drugs your gonna get, or what tests you need???? or the same thing for a lawyer you may have to go retain???? or a plumber, electrician etc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well why dont the common citizen leave enforcing the law up to the professionals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the POLICE

          • ‘Scott Gunn’

            Well if we look at it your way we would all be accused of having the low iq required for being a leo.

            Now let me ask you a question. If the hypothetical doctor you are referring to wanted to just prescribe say asprin to treat your case of lets say aids would you be ok with that or would you think he doesn’t know what he’s doing? well that is what you are asking us to do with these cops who don’t know or uphold the law. Did i dumb it down enough for you to understand greg?

          • Greg Marhenke

            I feel so bad for Greg. My name is Greg too. What a disgrace to the name. He has no critical thinking skills. He’s been indoctrinated to the point of no return.. Pray for us Gregs LLL FFFF

          • Timmybear

            Well, for one, the police are not there to enforce ‘the law’ – they are there to enact the State’s will, which is in no way the same thing.

          • Dogbyte4845 .

            Hell yes!
            I tell them what i need, who knows my body better than me.
            By the way the Doctors works for me, and the lawyer works for me.
            They do what I need, or their fired.
            No Brainer!

          • Jimmy Pilkenton

            Not when they don’t follow the law…more people should shoot to kill

          • Gavin John Campbell

            One, because their written english skills are too poor to even properly fill out necessary paperwork, and two, because obviously, they aren’t doing a satisfactory job. they’re paid by the government. they’re PUBLIC SERVANTS…yeah, they should be doing a better job.

      • Lunkster

        Please leave the country immediately moron. You have absolutely no “right” to live under the freedoms that were created and preserved for you by so many who have sacrificed their lives to stave off tyranny. You deserve tyranny and therefore should self-deport to North Korea where you will fit in just fine you mental midget ! I bet you’re a teacher.

      • Chris Dodson

        You’re an idiot!!

      • Jimmy Pilkenton

        Go fk urself copper

        • greg

          ur the reason police officers will never be out of business,,,,,thank you

          • Gavin John Campbell

            says the man who makes ellipses with commas as opposed to periods…and the man who makes 5 mark ellipses, as opposed to 3 mark ellipses.

      • Dingus

        Greg you lost the argument the second you decided to side with the thugs holding badges in this clip. I sure hope that if you have bred yet that someone sensible has relieved you of your responsibility of raising the child because we do not need another brainwashed sheep…we have enough running this country.

    • Dingus

      Wow.. I had no idea my post would stir such a “debate” lol. Greg you lost the argument the second you decided to side with the thugs holding badges in this clip. I sure hope that if you have bred yet that someone sensible has relieved you of your responsibility of raising the child because we do not need another brainwashed sheep…we have enough running this country.

  • bikerdogred1

    I hope this teach’s everyone a lesion don’t call the police and if there are no witness’s then whose to say you are wrong.

    • handyman8672

      Never assume the cops are going to take your side because you are in the right, Most cops are completely devoid of common sense, They live by their rule book, that way they don’t have to think, Handel it yourself any eliminate unknowns.

      • Jimmy Pilkenton

        Best statement on here…1000% accurate…I once trusted that because there were officers present that the truth would be told and I would be safe and protected…instead they sided with their gay boyfriend and his father the NARC informant…I was arrested on my own property and the judge said there is no evidence but I have a police officer telling me something and I have to believe him…no evidence whatsoever…he was a lying pig and they know that the fkn judges will side with them so they can say anything they want when they know it just your word against theirs!

  • Jerry Fleming

    cops should be fired… she was on her property, and she can film whatever she wants — unless of course, the cops are doing illegal stuff… But of course, they wouldn’t do that, now would they???

  • Don Lanpher

    Police protection at work…..a couple of big egos’ in uniform…………

    • Connie Alsip

      Yeppers. Handcuffed for their safety?? Who do they think they are fooling. Down with these idiots! When did to protect and to serve become to harrass and to demean? These are not cops, they are Gestapo!

    • Conservative sniper

      And sheer ignorance.

  • M Taylor

    The officers have no reasonable expectation to privacy as determined by Michigan Court in Bowens v. Ary, Inc. The family should be speaking to an attorney and getting a retirement fund from these officers and the department. What they did was plain out wrong and illegal… this from a former Florida officer. BTW, we liked everyone video taping us, it covered our butts.

    • greg

      oh great stand behind your brothers mr ex LEO, oh maybe thats why your an EX,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you have no clue

      • ‘Scott Gunn’

        Greg,
        That attitude is exactly why soo many people dislike police officers. You seem to think you only uphold the laws that suit you and the general population are considered enemys. You are paid to do a job not join a fraternity and put up “the wall of blue” to the detriment of our country. You need to find another line of work because you obviously don’t have the integrity to uphold our laws or represent this great country.

        • Dale Cordell

          High fives, Scott! I couldn’t have said that any better.

        • Jimmy Pilkenton

          Greg is a piece of sh*t…he will get his some day because of his stupid attitude…someone will decide not to put up with his kind and Greg will be no more

        • Gavin John Campbell

          Get him!

      • M Taylor

        I don’t violate people’s rights or break laws for “brother LEO’s.” It’s called abiding by your oath of office, something you apparently aren’t familiar with. It’s the reason I received a Congressional award for my life long work, have you? didn’t think so.

        • greg

          im sure you probably received that for being a political kiss ass in your agency,,,,,,,,,,,not a real street cop!!!!!!

  • Jim Reed

    This whole thing by the cops was wrong and they should sue. Those cops should not be on the force if this is actually all the relevant info. On a side note, If you are wearing camo gear and you are not hunting or on duty in the military you should not be surprised at the reaction of the cops anymore than if you’re wearing a dark hoodie and slacks hanging around dark places.

    • haloperidal

      The article said they were returning from a hunting trip when they found this scumbag on their property. Bet if there is a next time, he will just dispatch the idiot and dispose of the evidence and never call the cops.

      • HLain

        Shoot someone for riding a dirt bike on your property? You’re just as much of an idiot as the cops. How did you determine that he was a scumbag? I’ve road a dirt bike from land where I had permission to ride onto land that I did not because there were no visible boundries. Are you sure the man on the ground had the right to forcibly detain the trespasser? I’m not.

        • fstrick

          Lucky he wasn’t shot!!!!! What part of no trespassing don’t you understand.

          • HLain

            Better check the law. Simple trespass isn’t exactly a capital crime. He was on a dirt bike, how did that constitute mortal danger to the landowner and his family? Even here in Florida riding a dirt bike across someone’s property isn’t a violation of the Castle or Stand Your Ground laws and if you shot and killed someone for it would face charges for at the very least Manslaughter. What part of that do you not understand? Just another Internet badass running off at the mouth.

          • fstrick

            Florida, There are places in Va. you don’t want to be caught in after dark. No I am not what you say I am! Have been around law most of my life. Don’t want to argue about this! Just don’t want people to invade my space when it is against the law!!!!

          • Ron Gilbert

            Whether you realize it nor not, a police officer acts in the capacity of being OUR proxy when making an arrest. If someone is on your property uninvited you have the right to make a citizens arrest and wait for the police to arrive. It would behoove you to also examine these laws.

          • HLain

            Ron Gilbert: Nothing you said changes a thing. If you shoot someone simply because they are on your property and they did not break in to your house or put you or others in mortal danger or threaten your life then you WILL go to prison. I don’t need to examine the laws I know the laws.
            fstrick: I am sure there are places in every state you don’t want to be caught in at night. So what? For one thing this happened during the day. There is also a big difference between riding a dirt bike across your wooded property during the day and kicking your front door in in the middle of the night. LOGICAL people act accordingly. I see no logical reason to hold someone riding a dirt bike across my property at gunpoint unless they threatened me or mine and I have plenty of guns to do so with.

          • Ron Gilbert

            Did he shoot the person? Nope. He detained that person with an unloaded shotgun (listen to the child explain to the officer that it was not loaded) until the police arrived which is within his right. This property was not yours to decide how a person protects or defends it. That mans life or family is not yours to decide how he protects or defends them.

          • HLain

            No, the law decides how a person protects or defends his property and defines how he can protect and defends is family and he cannot shoot them unless they present a clear and present danger to his life or the life of those around him. The stand your ground laws merely establish that he does not have to make an attempt to flee before using deadly force to defend himself or others if there is a valid threat to his life or the life of others. Raiding a dirt bike across someone’s property does NOT constitute a mortal threat. You also cannot detain anyone at the point of a gun. That constitutes unlawful detention. If they choose to leave the only thing you can do legally is to let them go, call the authorities, and press charges and take action in the court system. THAT may very well be why the property owner ended up cuffed and on the ground. No one said that he shot the trespasser but a lot of the self-styled legal exerts on here are saying he should have and sure as hell some idiot will listen to their “advice” and end up killing someone for some minor bullshit and end up in prison.

          • Ron Gilbert

            SCOTUS ruled in 2008 and again in 2012 that every citizen in the US has the right to carry a gun for the purpose of defending our lives, the lives of our families and also to protect our property. These rulings came in conjunction with law suits where people sued police departments for either failing to show up for a call or showed up too late and life or property was lost or damaged. One might end up in jail for these things should they use excessive force but when you have this as a ruling from SCOTUS, you have a defense.

            Many states, counties and cities have enacted legislation making it illegal to sue a department should loss of life or property occur when a department fails to show for a call. Each court has ruled that it is not the responsibility nor duty of a police department to protect you, your family or your property unless they have previously agreed to do so (i.e. when a person is testifying in a capital case, when verifiable threats have been made against an individual and the department agrees to protect them, or when the department is hired to provide security at a public or private event). All have cited that the 2nd Amendment gives a person the right to defend themselves, their families and their property with a gun. I, personally, would not have gone this route with the dirtbiker but as you stated, with this video clip, how do we know what occurred prior to the arrival of the deputies? How is it that the courts have decided what we can use a gun for yet police officers will use what ever tactics they can employ to keep people from this knowledge?

          • jollyhollyjo

            This land owner did not shoot anyone!! If I came back from hunting and there was a trespasser sitting in front of my house, I would do the same thing this man did. Asshole, control freak is in the policeman job description.

          • iueras

            Better check the law yourself, moron. Michigan SPECIFICALLY passed laws (Castle Doctrine and No-Retreat) with full bi-partisan support no less that cover things like trespassing. And besides, it’s not like the owner SHOT him, he HELD him for the cops you fawn over so much to come get. And they STILL arrested him while he and his wife had broken ZERO (let me say that again so you can get it through your liberal propaganda-fogged skull, ZERO ZERO ZERO) laws.

            But you keep right on playing the apologist like a good little waste of oxygen.

          • HLain

            Apparently you can’t read troll. I never said the owner shot him, I was responding to another idiot, much like yourself who said that next time the owner would probably just shoot him and dispose of the body. You go ahead and shoot someone for simple trespass and see how much time you do for it Actually I’m a conservative and firmly believe in an individual’s right to own a weapon and use it to defend themselves but if I run into many more idiots like you I might change my mind. By the way, where did you see anyone get arrested on that 36 second long video?

          • iueras

            Hlain and those like him think they are too good to obey laws like that, but roll over and lick the “authorities” boots like their fawning is gonna help them in any way. Just another liberal moron, nothing to see here.

        • nmgene

          He did not have the right to shoot him but he did have the right to detain him!!! The cops commited felonies in arrestting him and assault and battery against him, false arrest, assault against his wife, issueing unconstitutional illegal orders to her. They should be in Prison

          • handyman8672

            The cops just wanted to show that they are the ones with the power, and can do as they please, I’m sure some big attorney has already talked to the land owner, about the possibility of law Suits,

          • Thomas Donald

            Actually, we’re still waiting to hear from big name attorneys. We’ve contacted a couple and were turned down since there wasn’t a grave injury or a dead body.

        • jollyhollyjo

          If you are riding your bike in a rural area, you better know exactly where you are! If you ‘accidently’ trespassed on my land, my pack of dogs would eat you. We despise people like you, thinking you can just go ride your destructive, noisy toys anywhere. If you want to ride a bike on land, get a job and buy your own.
          Not to mention, accidentally trespassing is still trespassing. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.. In a constitutional republic, my land is my land and you are not welcome. I would have every right to do what this land owner did. The cops are pussies.

          • HLain

            There are public lands where off-road vehicles are allowed that border on private land and the borders are often marked poorly or not at all. Your pack of dogs wouldn’t eat me because I would shoot them in a heartbeat. I’m still not impressed.

          • jollyhollyjo

            Wow, I am impressed. You can ride and shoot 6 big hunting dogs at the same time. Well, then I guess you can just go ride on anybodies land, whenever you wish. I guess I better get used to the fact that private property is not private anymore. I wish I knew which car was yours so I can go sit on the hood.

          • HLain

            No one ever said that you can ride on anyone’s property whenever you wish and you damned well know it. It is very possible to accidently trespass on someone’s property. There are hundreds of miles of public ATV trails in Florida that border on private property. As for riding and shooting 6 “big hunting dogs?” No problem. Model 31 Glock, chambered for .357 SIG, 15 rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber. Gives me two for each dog and 4 left over.

          • jollyhollyjo

            Thank god. I thought you were in California. Nevermind, I don’t give a shit what you do!!

          • HLain

            No, if I lived in that nest of liberal vipers (ie: Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein) and flakes (Jerry Brown, the entire population of San Francisco) I’d either move or use my gun on myself.

          • ‘Scott Gunn’

            If he was in California he wouldn’t have the Glock unless he was a criminal. Boy I feel sorry for those of you unfortunate enough to live in Cali

          • jollyhollyjo

            Thank you. I did not know that Glocks are illegal in CA. It does not surprise me. I guess they are too scary looking for all the city libs.

          • Thomas Donald

            If you are going 45 mph down a road, and a previous accident has taken out the sign restricting the speed limit down to 35 mph, and an officer happens to see you do this, you will still be ticketed even though it isn’t posted. The same stands true for trespassing. On top of that, those land locked pieces of public land have access easements that are clearly marked by the DNR in Michigan.

            HLain, I appreciate your commentary, and am actually glad that you are using your 1st Amendment Rights to speak out, but in this particular situation you are wrong. I cannot and will not go into detail, but there are quite a few critical details missing, thus making your presumptions look somewhat silly.

          • HLain

            How are any presumptions of mine being made to look silly? I did not say that because poorly marked boundaries exist between private and state lands that trespassing was thereby excused, but it can explain some cases of trespassing. As for JollyHollyJo’s hungry dogs, I don’t care if I was standing on his front porch, if they try to kill me they will die. No one in their right mind is going to just stand and let a pack of dogs kill them. JHJ seems more interested in trying to impress everyone with how much of a badass he is rather then having a debate. I just love idiots that try to impress and intimidate faceless people that the know nothing about and will never meet. The odds are good that JHJ doesn’t even own any land or have dogs and is just running his/her mouth anyway. Some of these idiots are condoning shooting a trespasser and burying them in place, (Get caught at that and see how long you get to spend in prison That property isn’t going to do you much good.) which as I said earlier in this day and age might prompt some other idiot to actually do it. That kind of goes with the dog situation. Shoot at me and you had better kill me because I’m going to shoot back, where ever we might be. If someone thinks that trespassing on their land justifies the taking of a human life then they are fk’ng nuts.

      • handyman8672

        That is the proper way to handle this incedent anyway, My brother took a course in concealed carry in Michigan, his instructor, said that if they ever had to draw their gun don’t ever call the police, just dispose of the bad guy yourself, and any witnesses also do not leave anybody to contest your version of events. word to the wise

        • HLain

          That’s funny they never said that in my concealed carry class. You’re full of shit.

          • iueras

            You didn’t take a concealed carry class. If you did, I am the Pope. You think that saying you took a class makes your bullshit smell less?

          • HLain

            Afraid so idiot. In Florida you’re required to take a class before they will issue a CCW permit. How about you? Did you have to take a troll class to be a silly fucking troll? You should have
            because you’re not very good at it.

          • ‘Scott Gunn’

            Well I took a ccw class in Arizona and I was givin the exact same advise as handyman by my instructer. Hmm wonder if I could use that as a legal defense? lol

    • Paul Wappler

      So the constitution only applies when one wears the correct clothing? Must have missed that one when I was studying.

  • DonnaLynn

    I’m afraid they are going to do whatever they want, especially now that the UN Small Arms Treaty has been signed.

    • Paul Wappler

      yeah… about that… turns out our states didn’t give the federal government constitutional authority to breach our second amendment rights so UN or no UN small arms treaty, it doesn’t mean a thing. That’s why they are called states, and not provinces.

      • DonnaLynn

        Yeah..well I agree. I’m just expressing frustration – and I guess a little fright, because they seem to be ram-rodding their way right over the Constitution.

        • Lunkster

          Don’t kid yourself. It’s coming.

          • DonnaLynn

            Yes it is, I think everyone feels something in the air, for sure. Blessings*~

          • Gavin John Campbell

            Phil collins felt it coming in the air…tonight. go write a song about it.

  • Bill Campbell

    Police can’t tell you to stop recording. The wire tap law doesn’t apply when you’re in public, especially on your own property.

  • Bill Campbell

    Police can’t tell you to stop recording. The wire tap law doesn’t apply when you’re in public, especially on your own property.

    • greg

      problem is when she opened her mouth and distracted the LEO’s now its a interference and safety issue and they can deal with her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Bill Campbell

        If anything I’d be suing for unlawful seizure of personal property of the phone. That would make me more angry than anything else that happened. They’re violating her free speech.

      • ‘Scott Gunn’

        There you go again greg, displaying your predisposition to bend and break the law as it suits you. I truely hope you aren’t really a po.

        • greg

          obviously an Obutthead supporter

          • ‘Scott Gunn’

            snappy reply, I’m guessing you were no where near the iq level that would disqualify you from being a police officer.

          • Gavin John Campbell

            moronic…absolutely moronic.

  • Echuda Dogra

    Here it the Sheriff’s office web page:http://www.crawfordsheriff.org/homepage.htm
    Have a look at the mission statement….what a freeking joke….god o’l boys playin cop…..

    • Billy

      If you notice, the under sherriff looks like Hitler

  • Rob

    More idiot cops , uugh they give LEOS a bad name

  • Sam Davis

    This is why I do not like police officers. They have no RESPECT for the citizens rights.

    • HLain

      Most of the people they deal with on a daily basis have no respect for the rights of other citizens either. Cops are just like everyone else; some are pricks and some are regular people. Personally I don’t think we’re getting the whole story here.

      • Glenn Daugherty

        hlain you right i dont respect your rights so shut the fuck up you fucking terrorist obama voting peice of shit

        • HLain

          Sorry, voted for McCain and then Romney, own several guns, have a CCW permit, fiercely defend the 1st and 2nd amendments, hate the ground that Obama walks on, don’t even particularly like cops. I do have enough common sense to see both sides of a situation though and I am literate. I am also NOT the least bit fucking impressed by your ignorant fucking attempt at intimidation. Do you fucking understand now? Oh, and by the way, it’s “piece”, not “peice.” Try to remember” I before E except after C.”

          • Thomas Donald

            A fuller account of the story can be found at The Blaze:

            Cops Accused of Forcing Woman to Delete Video of Husband’s Arrest Sparked by ‘Unloaded’ Shotgun and Trespasser on His Hunting Property – but We Have the Footage | TheBlaze.com

  • Connie Alsip

    Freaking power hungry jackwagon. This is absolutely ridiculous, I want to know more about this. Where, and how do I get the answers so I can help? Unloaded gun on his own property, and he’s the one who called for help. Excuse me, but did I just get hit by a train so my brain is scrambled? Get rid of that asshat!

    • Thomas Donald

      As posted above in the original article, there is a facebook page set up for my legal defense fund. The Blaze also did a rather accurate piece on the incident: Cops Accused of Forcing Woman to Delete Video of Husband’s Arrest Sparked by ‘Unloaded’ Shotgun and Trespasser on His Hunting Property – but We Have the Footage | TheBlaze.com

  • haloperidal

    Mr. Donald should contact his good friend, Sue, and begin a court case to deprive this idiot officer and the trespasser of their jobs, equipment and monies they will receive for a substantial portion of their remaining lifetime. Having an unloaded gun on your property is not a crime, but what these officers did was.

  • Jimmy Gulley

    Where is the reason and aclu??????

  • Lawrence Brown

    this going to happen more offten till people stand up to this shit take our country Obama don’t rule me NOway

  • Linda L Quist-Marks

    This is an example of what a democratic police state looks like…..it is eat-up with corrupt politics..therefore leaving the state raped and broke. Detroit and Flint lead the nation in crime…the way this country is going we’re next. I am originally from Michigan and happy to say originally.

  • HLain

    Before everyone goes off on the cops they might think about a few things. What happened before the video started? W e don’t know. Did the cops arrive to find the property owner pointing the shotgun at the trespasser? If so, I doubt that is legal. Who handcuffed the trespasser in the chair? If it was the property owner, is that legal? Did the property owner have the right to forcibly detain the trespasser? Was the property owner agitated and making threats or refusing to calm down? If so, and I were the cops, he’d be handcuffed on the ground too. The only thing that can be said for sure against the cops is that they had no right to make his wife stop filming the incident and the fact that she did not film the entire incident makes everything questionable.

    • Paul Wappler

      When making a citizens arrest on one’s own property it is legal to detain the individual only if the crime was a felony and the person making the arrest is positive they saw the offense occur. If it didn’t though they can be sued in civil court over false inprisonment. A L.E.O. must actually see a misdemeanor offense take place in order to charge someone for it, therefore it is illegal to make a citizen’s (some states call it an anybody arrest and i’m sure there are more terms) arrest on misdemeanor offenses, UNLESS you are a store owner/merchant (which is usually protected under a store owner/merchant clause to help stop shoplifting). Maybe you should do the research instead of asking 4 million questions eh?

      • HLain

        My comment was in response to a number of people who were saying things like “The trespasser could have been legally shot on sight,” “The land owner had the right to make a citizens arrest and physically restrain the trespasser,” and in one case “The landowner should have shot the scum and buried him on the spot.” The “4 million questions” were rhetorical as I already knew pretty much what you stated. The object of my post was to encourage others to make sure of what they said before they stuck their foot in their mouth You and I both know that there are a lot of stupid people out there and some idiot is liable to take some comment made on here at face value and shoot someone who walks up to the wrong house because someone transposed a number in an address.

  • Skeetor ooni

    this happens because more people aren’t shot…

  • Kerry Fritz II

    It says ‘Joe is a Global War on Terrorism veteran of . . . ‘ – but the U.S. are the terrorists – so he participated in terrorism . . .

  • HLain

    The headline says the property owner was arrested. The article says he was forcibly detained. Which one was it, there’s a difference. I’m a conservative and I would normally take the side of the property owner IF we had seen the whole thing. Parts of this story are questionable and I can’t overlook that out of blind conservative faith, that’s what a liberal would do.

  • Andrew

    seems to me the cops here are acting out like little kids. maybe all the sugar from the doughnuts fried their brains?

  • Andrew

    seems to me the cops here are acting out like little kids. maybe all the sugar from the doughnuts fried their brains?

    • Charlie_Tuna

      I don’t think its the sugar in the doughnutz that is the problem…
      I look back and 15, 20, and 50 years ago we did not have this big of a problem with the police…
      So I really believe the problem is from their CHANGE IN DIET , when the sugar cntent was higher, the cops acted more reasonable, Now that the ‘have to eat’ healthy foods, (and quit smoking) they are becoming very irritable and taking it out on the public. SO…..
      Blame, Michelle oVomit, Television adds, state recommendations, SPOUSES! our education system and OUR GOVERNMENT. They are the ones shoving rules down everyone’s throat.

      • Paul Wappler

        Wrong. The change in attitude comes from what every government goes through. Every government starts with a baseline of legality. Then you elect officials to go to office and argue about and create 100′s of laws every year. After about 250 years of this half the laws aren’t even interperetable in black and white terms. People with an IQ of under 130 can’t understand them and react with split second timing so they just go “UHHH i’m the cop you’re not fuck you your wrong I’m right” then they do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY FEEL LIKE so the prosecutor and judge can tell them what the real answer is. It’s stupidity. Not upset tummies.

  • JamesPF

    Another reason shown why I despise the current thinking of police who are morons on a power trip with a badge. Fire this bastard and create a profile for adult molesters who abuse their power over others. Heck child molesters are tagged for life so these morons should also be tagged for life.

  • Justin Becker

    Shouldn’t have unloaded it…. She also should have been armed, for they could have permanently dispatched two more trespassers that day and done us all a favor!

  • kealii8

    You called us but were arresting you for our protection? At this rate citizens might as well do more “CA” citizens arrest and turn the trespasser in this case over to law enforcement and take your chances with the judge seeing how law enforcement is playing judge and juror in these type matters. Sue the pricks.

  • Azlecitizen

    Hlain; You would more than likely have a much different perspective on a great many things if you removed your head from your ass!

    • HLain

      Like I care what some anonymous wannabe-badass on the internet thinks.

      • Ron Gilbert

        And yet you feel the need to interject your own form of intimidation on the internet. Again, what a wonderful example of being a troll you are.

        • HLain

          What intimidation was that? Seems as though Azlecitizen started with the intimidation when he brought up the HIA thing.

          • Ron Gilbert

            Apparently you do not remember all of the insults that you have hurled at others that you disagreed with in this blog. My comment was made long before you and Azelcitizen went at it.

      • Azlecitizen

        HLain, I’m not a wannabe badass, I just try to help out stupid people when I can. You’re welcome!

        • HLain

          How am I stupid, because I disagreed with your redneck opinion? I am a conservative, own guns and will resist any attempt by the government to violate our 2nd amendment rights, and have a CCW permit. That being said, common sense is still common sense and most of the people posting on this thread appear to completely lack it. They are basing everything on a 36 second video and have no idea what the full story is. The only thing I saw wrong during that 36 seconds was the fact that the cop told her to quit filming and tried to take the camera.

          • Azlecitizen

            Every one else is wrong and you are right, yeah I get it! You’re stupie and on’t know why. Once again, take your head out of your ass!

          • HLain

            Stupie New word? Yes, so far, pretty much everyone posting on here is wrong in that they are making assumptions based on a 36 second video and don’t even know a fraction of the whole story. You seem to have a real obsession with things anal. Coming out of the closet are you?

          • Paul Wappler

            You’re stupid because you posted over 10 times and not one thing actually said anything except babbling questions. Thank you for playing, try again.

  • Bruce Keyes

    These cops better have a damn good reason for arresting these guys, because having an unloaded shot gun on your own property IS NOT A CRIME, get a good layer and make an example of them.

    • HLain

      1) It said he was DETAINED in the article and ARRESTED in the headline, might want to find out which it was before jumping to any conclusions. He said the gun was unloaded;. As far as we know he could have been waving it around and acting like an idiot or like some of the idiots on here talking like a badass. If he held the trespasser at gunpoint that might be problematic too, like Unlawful Detention. Simple trespass isn’t exactly up there with attempted murder, rape, and pedophilia like some of these same idiots talk. If I were a cop and I wanted his to stay where I could see him because of his behavior he’d be cuffed on the ground too. The cop has just as much right to ensure his safety as anyone else.

      • Bruce Keyes

        Way too much news about cops over stepping the laws that are supposed to affect us all. Your right there is some possibilities that not all is as it seems, but if so why take away someone’s camera on their own property when they have not broken any laws unless they had some behaviors to hide. It is getting out of control and is in the news constantly. If they want to get a better rap with the puplic then they need to get ahold of the power hungry yayhoo’s who are acting like idio’s who are above the law. This is why people have lost their trust in Police.

        • HLain

          I agree completely and I don’t think they had any business taking the camera away or making her stop recording. I just get tired of reading all of the internet warriors bragging about what they would do, jumping to totally uniformed conclusions, and making up the law as they go along. One idiot even tried to say that his brother’s CCW instructor told them that if they ever had to pull their gun on someone to kill them and any witnesses and get rid of the bodies. I’ve taken CCW classes and needless to say that is bull shit. The people that teach these classes have to be certified by the state and take their job very seriously. Of course you and I both know that somewhere out there is very probably some idiot stupid enough to believe that and act on it.

          • Bruce Keyes

            Agreed, I have mine as well, and I’m you we can also agree that there is nobody with more respect for a weapon that those of us who have taken the CPL. I grew up handling, and yes I did see that complete idiot say getting rid of the bodies, there has been one hell of a lot of incidences as of late involving cops and bad behavior, not sure if its because they are now being watched and it has always been there, (probably) but it makes many people worry, or fed up and ready to fight back. I think they really need to make an example of these rogue cops, because if they don’t it will not end well for anyone. I’m on the side of the law and a law that everyone must answer to because if there are people making or enforcing laws that don’t affect them, than there will end up being a civil war.

          • HLain

            Did you ever think that the situation with the cops is getting worse (and I agree, to an extent it has always been there. Police departments need to do a far better job of psychological screening) because the whole situation of American society is getting worse? There are more people unemployed or underemployed then since the great depression. Thousands of people have lost everything they had. Our POS excuse for a president is ignoring the constitution and ruling by executive decree. The only thing he has really accomplished in five years is to push an unworkable health care plan down our throats that is going to cost everyone that works for a living far more then their regular insurance ever did and result in far worse health care. That same president is doing everything he can to divide the country along racial and political lines. Everyone in this country with any intelligence is miserable and afraid. As far as a civil war? Hell, it’s starting to look very much to me like a civil war might be a good thing.

  • dan f

    Sounds like Michigan alot of the sherriffs are pricks alot are ex city cops that have bad attitudes and left being city cops cause they were hated by all the locals not all are bad but alot are these too look like the prick type the im god complex type do what I say kind I would be filing a law suit he was on his property interesting how homeowner was in the dirt but the criminal was in a dang chair says someone’s probly buddy buddy with mr sherriff

  • K.e. French

    Several violations here. Def. lawyer up and def. sue and also make certain hell or high water that these deputies are removed from their position in law enforcement.

  • Bruce Keyes

    Cops like this are bringing public distrust, feel they are above the law. I would second mortgage my house to take this case to court and have their jobs. they are not upholding the law they are braking it, oh that’s right they don’t live by the same rules, this is not going to end well for anyone.

  • Michael Kimsey

    Thats kidnapping and assault on the woman. !!

    • HLain

      Let me guess, you’re a lawyer, right? (at least in your own mind. I’d shoot for something higher, like maybe a maggot.)

      • Ron Gilbert

        Ahhhhh….. what a wonderful example of being a troll. Nothing like someone that knows nothing themselves going around slamming people for their views while making idiots of themselves. Take your brain from your backside. Oxygen actually helps with cognitive reasoning.

        • HLain

          Says the self-appointed expert on nothing. Where did the kidnapping and assault occur? There was nothing in that video that even remotely constituted kidnapping. You really like that head-in-anal cavity thing don’t you, is that all you’ve got?

          • Ron Gilbert

            Speaking of self appointed experts, how about you? How about as you troll about on this site going from person to person blasting them in a way that does not represent who you claim to be (in one of your statements you claim to be Conservative yet in the manner you blast other Conservatives, you display the characteristics of the intolerant left). I guess in retrospect you could also claim the same about me trolling you. How about you try to teach those that you disagree with through reasoning. I saw one of your comments about how this video does not show everything and you made some valid points but any respect for you was completely lost when you blasted and belittled others that you disagree with. Those that you disagree with here are for the removal of tyranny. If you want people to respect you, stop insulting them and learn a way of going about it that would reflect intelligence instead of typical police thug mentality.

            Oh, and the view of kidnapping took place when the police officer put the home owner in cuffs for wielding a shotgun on his own property. In Michigan you can open carry on your own property. When you illegally detain someone, police officer or not, it falls under the same definition of kidnapping as if a civilian did it. Here is the definition of kidnapping: The forcible and unlawful abduction and conveying away of a man, woman, or child, from his or her home, without his or her will or consent, and sending such person away, with an intent to deprive him or her of some right. This is an offence at common law.

            Here is another one: kidnapping – (law) the unlawful act of capturing and carrying away a person against their will and holding them in false imprisonment.

            And yet another: The crime of unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or Fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against his or her will with an intent to carry that person away at a later time.

            It would seem that by these quite similar definitions, kidnapping could quite easily be assessed in this situation.

          • HLain

            Most of the people I’ve encountered on here couldn’t care less about tyranny or anything else, they just want to impress everyone with their knowledge and toughness, neither of which exists. I’ve been insulted far more then I’ve insulted. (I don’t really care though.) If most of these people are conservatives then conservatives don’t need them. People like these are the same people that give liberals the ammunition they need to carry out their agenda. How many people on here have advocated shooting someone for riding a dirt bike across someone’s land? A few have even suggested shooting him and burying the body and not reporting anything. One clown even said his brother was told by a firearms instructor in a CCW class to kill the offender and any witnesses to the killing and get rid of the bodies. Does that sound right to you? I hope not! Do you REALLY think things like that help support the conservative cause? What I’m getting tired of is some idiot doing something exactly like that on a daily basis. Anyone that would shoot and kill someone for simply riding a dirt bike across their property has to be mentally ill or stupid enough to be classed so. Do you not at least agree with that? It would be hard to argue against them if some liberal read this thread and then said “Look, here’s 40-50 conservatives that think it’s all right to kill some kid for riding their dirt bike across their property. Hell no, none of these idiots need to have guns! How do you answer that?

          • Ron Gilbert

            Although I agree that shooting someone for riding a dirtbike on your property is excessive, I do not agree that one should use the liberal way of handling a disagreement with their fellow Conservatives by calling people idiots (even though they display that character trait). I read down through most of the comments and found only 1 comment from you that was informative and well written prior to engaging you. All of the others were insults to people that do nothing more than rile us up against one another. In times like this we need to stick together not become divided. As for how libtards view us, that is not going to change by being more palatable in their esteem. Their ranks are filled with far more low information voters than ours and merely speaking truth to them continues their view of us that we are idiots. We need to teach our fellow Conservatives, not shred them. I too grow angry with many Conservatives and how they approach most of the anger inciting stories that are going around. My biggest pet peeve is when we take a statement from a liberal and make it into what we want it to say instead of seeing it contextually. I agree with your frustration over our fellow Conservative reacting out of emotion instead of thinking things through prior to posting them.

          • HLain

            Actually I agree with everything you say including the assessment of myself. You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. Comments such as “My brother’s CCW instructor told him if you ever have to pull a gun on someone kill them and all of the witnesses and hide the bodies” drive me up the wall! This is not only an extremely ignorant statement but there are two other factors to consider: 1.) Somewhere there is some dumb son of a bitch just stupid enough to do exactly that because “an instructor said it was ok.” and 2.) Liberals see the comment and say “see how crazy conservatives are?”
            I have a special problem with all of the b.s. involving a dirt bike rider trespassing because of a personal experience. A friend of mine and I were hunting deer in a state forest in Indiana (I’m from Indiana, I live in Florida now.) Two guys blocked us with their truck and got out and started giving us a bunch of crap about trespassing on their land. They just stood around for about five minutes and one of them just kept repeating “Well, I don’t know what we’re going to do about this.” Finally I said “I guess you either need to get out of my way and let us leave or call LE because I’m getting real tired of sitting here and you are not going to detain me any longer.’” One of them reached into the bed of my truck, picked up my gun case, and started to take out my shotgun. No one in their right mind is going to let that go on. I got out of the truck with my .357 in my hand, cocked it, and told him he needed to put my shotgun down and move his truck or I was going to blow out the engine and push it off of the ridge we were on. Needless to say he complied and we left. I went directly to a DNR station and told them what happened and exactly where it happened. It turns out that we were on state forest land, which I was positive about to begin with, and that they had had reports about these clowns pulling the same thing on other people ; probably, in the warden’s opinion, to keep other hunters away from the area they were hunting in. After that I decided that if anyone pulled that crap again they had better have a gun and have it out before I did. As a result of that, my opinion is that even if you are on their property and you’re outside and not bothering anything or threatening them they have no reason to hold you at gunpoint, that’s just being an excessive, overbearing , and ignorant redneck. We all know that the property owner in question was doing exactly that before the cops came. Most people wouldn’t even bother calling the cops for someone riding a bike on their property let alone go through all of the other drama queen bull shit. I can just about imagine what this guy was saying and doing when the cops got there. Do you know how long it takes to load and fire a single shot or double barrel shotgun? Maybe 3-4 seconds at the most. If I pulled up and some guy was yelling and screaming and waving a gun around loaded or not, I’d make sure that he was where he couldn’t do any harm before I turned my back on him too.

          • Thomas Donald

            HLain, You are making some presumptions about my actions that are incorrect. I cannot go into detail, on my lawyer’s recommendation, but I can assure you that I was not “yelling and screaming and waving a gun around….”

  • DonM

    Lawsuit.

  • Happy

    Freaking idiot pigs.

  • William Svoboda

    It’s amazing, in a state that is losing it’s population, in a county that has lost .05% of it’s population in the last two years. You would think someone who is protecting their property would be treated better, but no. Maybe when a few more people pack up and leave and this Sheriff loses his job because you don’t need police when there are no people, they may get the idea. Crawford county Michigan has a population of around 14,000 people.

    • HLain

      Let’s see. . . the county population is 14,000. . . . and they lost .05% of their population. . . . . . . that’s 7 people. Looks like a wholesale exodus to me!

  • William Svoboda

    It’s amazing, in a state that is losing it’s population, in a county that has lost .05% of it’s population in the last two years. You would think someone who is protecting their property would be treated better, but no. Maybe when a few more people pack up and leave and this Sheriff loses his job because you don’t need police when there are no people, they may get the idea. Crawford county Michigan has a population of around 14,000 people.

  • martinitime1975

    This makes me sick. Courts, including the Supreme Court, have ruled in favor of people being allowed to film the cops time and time again. When are the little Napoleans going to be disciplined? They make all the good cops look bad.

  • tinkbower

    This is happening more and more. When are Americans going to wake up and see what is going on??? .. Those cops should be arrested!! .. The man was perfectly within his “RIGHTS”… I won’t be surprised when people start shooting first!!!

  • Bruce Whalen

    Sheriff whatever your name is. Come to Texas and try that.

    • HLain

      Because everyone knows that every LEO in Texas is just a big, loveable Teddy Bear! Idiot.

      • Bruce Whalen

        Fuck you. Just come to Texas and I will introduce you to one of your kind.

  • Ron Gilbert

    So tired of bad cops making good cops look bad. Also very tired of people defending these cops as “just doing their jobs” or “they do a dangerous job, give them a break”. Cops that act as bullies do not deserve either respect nor special considerations for a break. I do not care what THEIR training teaches them. When it comes in conflict with the Constitution, they should be held accountable and fired.

  • CSHJ

    Stay out of the BLUE states. They want to control everything you do every minute of the day.

    • nmgene

      I bailed out of Michigan in 1965 when they passed no Knock entry for the Police, if you shot them it was auto 2nd degree murder.

  • nmgene

    The Officers should be fired, criminally tried and never be allowed to hold any public office or security position. They can not arrest you for protecting your property, filming them on your property, the gun was unloaded.

  • VicBailey

    Bama’s gang of bulling punks! This has to stop! Semper Fi.

  • susan5042

    Please post an update. And please tell me they have been suspended.

    • Thomas Donald

      There is no official word from the Crawford County Sheriff as to whether Dep. Swope or Dep. Schnoor has had any sort of reprimand and/or is suspended at this point in time.

  • Kent Vivrette

    Sue the bastards. Get a man by his balls or wallet and his heart will soon follow.

  • jollyhollyjo

    We cannot trust our local police. Their boss is a political appointee. Your local Sheriff is elected by the people. Make sure he is a good one.

  • William F

    Do these sheriffs know what the law is? What an embarrassment to the badge and the uniform. I seriously think these two law officers should not be carrying loaded weapons. Looks like some southern inbreeding going on here.

    • Paul Wappler

      *Michigan*. It’s as far from the south as it gets. Try “looks like we know why they work for the government.”

  • anestat

    Lots of policemen a d deputies act like this ever since Obama was elected in 2008. He loves this treating law abiding citizens like slaves and criminals. Just the way he wants them to be treated. This deputy needs to be fired immediately. The worm will turn soon.

  • greg

    the one thing that troubles me, is we have so many american people that are Anti-Authoritative. Who is it you call when your house gets broken into or your son or daughter or wife gets assaulted,,,,,,hmmmmm a police officer. well try this next time something happens to someone in your family,,,,,,,DONT call the police, cause remember YOU cant trust them. so handle it yourself and have a nice day!!!!!!!

    • ‘Scott Gunn’

      Greg there you go spouting again. WE PAY YOU through our exorbitant taxes to do that job and many of us aren’t able to defend our homes and loved ones because of people like you who don’t want to have anyone armed except themselves (Meaning law enforcement) and the criminals because they are lawbreakers to begin with and usually don’t obtain their firearms legally to begin with.

  • BrotherWill

    Michigan Attorney General is huge pro-gun supporter. These cops are fooked.

  • TBone

    WAY TO GO KID! THAT’S WHAT AM SAYING:))))))

  • good160

    The law has ben viloating the constitution be cause all have the right to have a fire arms. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, (shall not be infringed) that means no one can tell you cant have weapons no matter what!

    • HLain

      Congratulations! According to some on here your IQ is low enough to become a LE officer. Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot; to be a cop.

      • good160

        Trollimg huh.

  • Joseph Blosch

    This is what happens when you trust the police – lesson learned… Do not trust them.

  • kcir321

    Now I see why a lot of people laugh when cops get shot

  • GetRhonda

    Everybody needs to post this on their facebook to show how ignorant cops are.

  • Lunkster

    These two Porky Pigs have sworn an oath to uphold the constitution. That man could have 5000 (Loaded) guns all pointed at the trespasser and the sheriff can’t do a thing about it. I am so sick and tired of seeing law enforcement force citizens to surrender video documentation of their improper actions under the guise of using it as evidence. This is becoming all to common and poses a direct threat to law abiding citizens.

    • Earl Patterson

      I clicked like/ those icon ^ …. It only let me click once. But I would have click 10,000 time. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!!

  • Dale Cordell

    Heil Gestapo!!
    This is what all supposed police forces are becoming, in every state of our great nation. What are we going to do about it? Sit on our hands and let these bullies get away with anything they deem to be “appropriate” treatment of all us “suspected criminals”? We are now, “Guilty until proven innocent.”
    Hitler would be so proud.

  • EDDY

    I PRAY TO GOD THIER LAW IS LIKE OURS SO THE MAN CAN SUE THE DEPUTY RIGH DOWN TO HIS T-SHIRT.!!

  • Ronald R. Johnson

    More proof that cops have become some of our worst criminals! And How did they ever find a uniform and gun belt to fit that big fat Pig?

  • Bruce Keyes

    Could not agree more, clearly we are on the same page, but in no way are we alone anyone with a brain can see when the congress makes a law this bad and then exempts themselves has got to tell you something, the lowest form of human life are todays Washington politicians!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Timmybear

    I’ve never understood this notion of being ‘forced to’. Refuse – cite the fact that in a public place, no-one, including the police, has a right to not be filmed, especially on one’s own property – and ask them to call in a supervisor.

  • Dogbyte4845 .

    Maybe this would stop if the law suite took money from their police retirement fund instead of the state of Michigan.
    After all, why should tax payers pay for their mistakes.

  • Dogbyte4845 .

    Under our protection!
    He no longer has the shot gun.
    Fire both these cops!

    WTF!

  • Mike Miller

    It seems the deputies need to find another line of work. they went past the line when they violated not only the second amendment but the first. They had no right under any law to stop the video camera.

  • patriot_act

    Just proves there are wild pigs in Michigan.

  • Kaos Krumpy

    Time to arrest the wife for having the deleted video published?

  • Kaos Krumpy

    Don’t call the cops, they are not your friend, they are not their to ‘protect and serve’, they are there to meet quota’s to justify their jobs.

  • Ned Fowler

    I don’t know if anyone is totally innocent, here. There’s not enough info to go on. If you’re a cop responding to a call for your help, and you drive up on a scene with a guy brandishing a shotgun in one hand and holding shells in the other, that seems like a great way to get yourself killed… to me, anyway. What kind of idiot holds up a gun to show that he poses no threat??? This is just as stupid as the city kids who get shot for getting out of their cars with “black objects” in their hands during a traffic stop. Sorry, if I call the city kids stupid, I gotta call these country folks stupid, too.

  • John Kettunen

    Everybody should call the Sheriffs Dept and let them know how you feel. BOYCOTT THE NAZI STATE of MICHIGAN