300 BOY SCOUT FAMILIES LOSE SPONSOR, KENTUCKY MEGA-CHURCH BACKS OUT OF BOY SCOUT PROGRAM IN RESPONSE TO GAY TROOP CONTROVERSY

300 BOY SCOUT FAMILIES LOSE SPONSOR, KENTUCKY MEGA-CHURCH BACKS OUT OF BOY SCOUT PROGRAM IN RESPONSE TO GAY TROOP CONTROVERSY



scoutsActions have consequences. In this case, the Boy Scout organization’s decision to even debate acceptance of open homosexuality has provoked Southeast Christian Church, a church of 30,000, to pull its charter of Troop 212.

Southeast Christian Church did not pull its sponsorship and involvement over the recent vote by the Boy Scouts to allow openly homosexual youth to participate. The Church pulled its sponsorship over the Boy Scouts organization’s act of debating the idea of allowing open homosexuality. This is confirmed by the fact the Church actually notified the Boy Scouts earlier in the year before the vote took place.

“Truly for us it’s a logical decision,” he said. “We cannot be distracted from the mission God has called us to.”

The Scouts have until the end of the year to relocate.

Barry Oxley, CEO of the Boy Scouts’ Lincoln Heritage Council, said Southeast Christian had notified the council earlier this year that scouting would not be offered on its campus in 2014.

Approximately 300 families participate in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts via the church, and will now need to seek a new sponsor for Troop 212.

We’re guessing this is the first of many to walk away from the organization over its decision to bring sexual orientation into the current conversation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.b.towle Peter B. Towle

    This is only the beginning of the demise of the BSA

    • Proud2bfromtheUSA

      The boy scouts have been morally dead for a long time. I was a boy scout and my best friend is a boy scout leader. Trust me Scouting has changed drastically since I was a scout and not for the better either.

  • Joel A. Ohmer

    i’m a Conservative, and a Scout leader, and i think it’s SAD that this church turned away 300 families over this. Jesus NEVER turned his back on anyone, and he certainly didn’t teach us to exclude … in fact, he never uttered a SINGLE WORD about homosexuality. Come on people, even gay boys need camaraderie and male role models.

    • ignorancetamer

      Joel, that is the most misstated thing about the bible. Jesus doesn’t use the word “homosexuality” but he certainly denounces sexual immorality. Mark 7:20-23 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

      If you don’t think Jesus would have equated homosexuality with sexual immorality then you have your head in the sand.

      • Joel A. Ohmer

        Yeah, what were Jesus’ thoughts on burnt offerings being the only way to atone for sin? Wearing cloth made from two or more different fabrics? Shellfish?

        My head is on my shoulders, Sir. Keep behaving so “Christian like” by suggesting otherwise.

        • ignorancetamer

          Jesus was Jewish. The bible tells us that the kept the old law perfectly. So, he would have followed all of the rules, including not eating shellfish, not wearing clothes made from different fabrics and he would have offered every animal sacrifice that was required.

          Ignorance is not a bad thing as long as you learn when people correct you.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            Actually, no he didn’t … he refused to stone an adulteress (Sin, just like Homosexuality). He fraternized with Sinners, Tax Collectors. He kept the company of women, he claimed to be the Son of God (boy, the Jews didn’t see THAT as keeping “the old law perfectly” … and that story about Jesus sacrificing that goat was CRAZY!

          • ignorancetamer

            Like I said, ignorance is not a bad thing as long as you learn when people correct you.

            You are simply ignorant.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            Only the ignorant are convinced they are always right.

            You are simply a douche. Have a nice day.

          • Linguist Scouter

            Joel, when Jesus said, “He who is without sin cast the first stone,” the implication was that the adulteress was guilty and should be punished – just not by the religious hypocrites who were using her to test him. You have an understanding of what happened, but not why. “For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him” (John 3:17). Jesus did not come to bring judgment – the first time. But when he comes back, he will judge both the living and the dead (2 Timothy 4:1). I won’t argue any of the other points you made because your original premise is flawed. You said that homosexuality does not equal sexual depravity. Romans 1:18-31 clearly teaches that homosexuality is one of many symptoms of moral depravity. And those who are morally depraved deserve to die. Thank God that Jesus died to pay that price. By accepting openly gay Scouts, the BSA is essentially approving their lifestyle. The church does not have that option. The mission of the church is to share the “good news.” There can be no good news without the bad news coming first. The BSA is undercutting the message of the church and it is incumbent upon the church to separate from the BSA. And I say that as a 40-year Scouter and Eagle Scout who is about to turn in his unit’s charter to the Council for this very reason.

        • ​​

          You obviously don’t have any idea what the different fabrics really means. As for other peoples’ sins, what is that to do with you? Do you think because other people are bad that you get a pass? It doesn’t work that way. You shall not allege the example of the many as an excuse for doing wrong.

    • Proud2bfromtheUSA

      Any idiot that sends their son on a overnight camping excursion with a known gay man or gay youth is just as guilty of wrong doing as the gay person who molests their son. Gays are not trustworthy when it comes to sex. I once had a gay man tell me every man is gay after 5 beers. I told him “remind me not to drink around you.” By the way I am Bisexual and I do not put myself in situations where I will be alone with boys because I don’t want anyone to think I might do something. I never would because I was molested as a child and I know what that does to a boy. Boy scouts are supposed to be morally straight but they have slowly been indoctrinating their scoutmasters for the past few decades to remove God from scouting. I have kept in touch with scouting for a while now and I have seen the evidence. A Scout leader can not talk about religion or spiritual needs for fear of offending someone. The scouts have not been about morality for some time. They used to be about teaching young men to be moral and upright citizens but they have stopped doing that and so have allowed their waters to become murky with these types of issues.

      • Legirons

        Perhaps straight single males should begin applying as girl scout leaders? No issue with a guy who prefers girls being in charge of adolescent girls would there be?

        • Joel A. Ohmer

          The girl scouts DO allow male leaders, and females lead cub and boy scouts.

          • msamericanpatriot

            It is called a Den Mother in Boy Scouting. In Girl Scouting that would be a dyke leading NOT a real man.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            MSAmerican … really? i know several great fathers who led their daughter’s group because no mom wanted to go camping, etc. Grow up.

          • msamericanpatriot

            Yes really. Girl Scouts only allow female leaders and now include PRACTICING lesbians under their don’t ask, don’t tell policy.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            WRONG … check it out. Male leaders are allowed.

          • msamericanpatriot

            According to Girl Scouts and I know some Girls Scouts leaders that in order for a troop to be considered legal and to keep their charter the leader MUST be female. Those troops are NOT legal and therefore are in jeopardy of losing their charters.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            ‘Whether you’re a girl in the United States or overseas who wants to be a Girl Scout, a college student working on a community service project, a parent ready for an outdoor adventure with your daughter’s troop, or an adult—female or male—looking to make a difference in a girl’s life, there’s something for you in Girl Scouts.”

            http://www.girlscouts.org/join/

          • msamericanpatriot

            Then someone is going to get fired for posting that on the site because it is a GIRLS ONLY club. When my friends have heard of men TRYING to become leaders in Girl Scout troops it has been met with strict opposition and usually the troop winds up losing their charter.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            Sorry, i called them (because that used to be my main gripe against the GSA, not allowing male leaders), and it is national policy now. Sorry to burst your bubble. Your friend’s Troop was acting on their own ugly agenda, and were not being inclusive. Much like many here are complaining how the BSA is no longer Christian or Moral … BULL. My son’s Pack and Troop are both very in touch with their spiritual roots. You can’t judge an entire national organization by the stupid actions of one Troop.

          • msamericanpatriot

            It wasn’t an ugly agenda it was being a TRUE grizzly mama. No self respect mother would ALLOW for their little princess to be led by a male leader. They would FEAR that male leader ESPECIALLY if they are Islamic to prey on their daughter. They must be hard up for leaders since all the self respecting mother who WERE Girl Scout leaders left and formed the more MORAL American Heritage Scouts. The scouts these days are nothing more than dens of inequity. Then those troops are praying to Satan who is the ONLY one who supports homos. Yes you can judge an entire entity by the action of a few. It is called guilt by association.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            So EVERY man should be suspected of molesting children? Really?

            OK, the last two sentences confirmed you’re bat cr@p crazy. Have a nice day.

          • msamericanpatriot

            Nope you have that market cornered in bat shit crazy. I follow the one true God. The one the CONDONES sexual immorality and depravity. That makes me holier than thou and I am proud of it.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            You pray to God with that mouth? Classy.

          • msamericanpatriot

            I don’t use his name when I curse so it doesn’t matter.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            Bwahahaahah. You’re adorable.

          • bodey043

            Unfortunately, the Word does not support your belief that your profanity is excused.

            “The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.” Luke 6:45

          • msamericanpatriot

            Before you try to remove the spec out of my eye, homo lover, remove the log out of yours. Both Testaments are against homosexuality. Therefore you argument is invalid.

          • Glen S

            Msamericanpatriot, since you are such an expert in Biblical exegesis please tell the world to what Jesus compared hatred! That’s right! He compared it to murder. You bring up Jesus’ discussion of pulling splinters and planks, but you apply it in completely the wrong way. The comments were about your excuses for your profanity. Clearly you are attempting to justify your BAD (an understatement if you Google “msamericanpatriot” and read the vitriol you spread throughout cyberspace) behavior.

            I (and Christ for that matter) am less interested in your views on homosexuality and more interested in your destroying the same Christ that you so falsely claim you love.

          • msamericanpatriot

            Christ is interested in my views of homosexuality and he approves of them. You pathetic excuse for a man have forgotten that hatred is allowed when it is done in a GODLY fashion like I am doing. God hated Esau and God hates homosexuals and said so FOUR TIMES if not more in the Bible. So I will always win and you will ALWAYS lose.

          • Glen S

            As is your continuing history you skip over the entire premise of my comments. God hates sin. He hates the sin of hatred in your heart as much as He hates the sin of homosexuality in the hearts of some. But He loves the homosexual enough to have died on the cross for the homosexual as much as He died on the cross for you.

            Now how about you answer for your continued slaughter of the English language and the Word of God will your profanity.

          • msamericanpatriot

            You are so wrong in the head again, Glen. He hates the sin of homosexuality OVER the sin of hatred. Jesus did NOT die for the homosexual. Jesus came to uphold the law and the prophets and in the Talmudic law it says that homosexuality is evil and it is a Godly thing to hate the homosexuals. Therefore Jesus did NOT die for them. They were already dead. God hated Esau and the Bible says it is okay to hate with a Godly hatred. Your Bible knowledge is pathetic.

          • Glen S

            “Your Bible knowledge is pathetic.” Really? Considering at least a dozen times in three years I’ve read you misuse Matthew 5:17 and Luke 24:44. The word used is “fulfill” not “uphold.” I really wish you would stop butchering God’s Word to suit your own convoluted purposes.

            ““Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Matthew 5:17

            “Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Luke 24:44

            And before you go off trying to say they mean the same thing.

            uphold: 1a : to give support to b : to support against an opponent

            2a : to keep elevated b : to lift up

            fulfill: 1a : to put into effect : execute b : to meet the requirements of (a business order) c : to bring to an end d : to measure up to : satisfy

            3a : to convert into reality b : to develop the full potentialities of

            Care to quote exactly were Jesus points out that He hates homosexuality above hatred! On the other hand, I can tell you exactly where Jesus equates hatred with murder.

            Matthew 5:20-22 “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

            And you still haven’t answered the original objection to your statement above: “I don’t use his name when I curse so it doesn’t matter.” That is most egregious self justification I’ve heard in years.

            Why don’t you do us all a favor and take Proverbs 17:28 to heart and be quiet.

          • msamericanpatriot

            Why don’t you, pathetic example of a man. It is uphold. For Jesus it was always uphold. You are the Pharisee. You are of your father the devil for you embrace the evil ways of homosexuality. I have a cause. You just refuse to see it. Maybe you need to get your eyes examined.

          • Glen S

            Are you so arrogant that you are going to attempt to refute a direct quote from God’s Word. Shall I spend the next three hours quoting each and every version I can look up. Oh, I get it! You believe your own “personal” revelation invalidates the written Word of God. Well, Paul has something to say about that in Galatians 1. No revelation not found in God’s Word is of God.

            And your only cause is yourself.

          • msamericanpatriot

            You are the arrogant one, Glen. Not me. Your cause is of the devil’s handiwork. Not God’s. Nice try, loser.

          • Glen S

            Wow, you really are a broken record! I have graduated from two prestigious universities with both a B.S. in Science Education and an M.Ed. in Curriculum and Instruction. I currently sit on a prestigious government council for the betterment of those less fortunate. I have started and run a successful business at the same time as I buried a child.

            You are many things, but a Christian is not one of them. You may be many things, but compassionate is not one of them. You may believe many things, but in the God of the Bible is not one of them. And you think you are doing good, but that is just in your own head. You are a legend in your own mind, and will be forgotten.

          • msamericanpatriot

            I am more of a Christian than you can fathom. Like I said God tells us NOT to be compassionate towards the homosexual IN any fashion. You fail to grasp hold of that concept. Oh really. Nothing is for certain but death and taxes. Oh a Bull shitter degree in Education. Because even you would know that science has proven homosexuality AND transgenderism to not be real and to be a mental illness. Go instruct you self on that.

          • msamericanpatriot

            I am more of a christian than you will ever be. Oh a bull shiter degree in science huh. You should know that science has proven that homosexuality does NOT exist and now history is showing that it is the cause of the downfall of Ancient Rome. By hating homos I am prevent the downfall of America which you a modern day Pharisee and son of the devil embrace.

          • Glen S

            First, you really are a pathetic broken record. Second, you clearly don’t understand who the Pharisees were and Jesus’ objection to them. Third, you continue to commit a fallacy by attempting to engage in a “straw man.” Either show this forum the scriptures (in context) which allow profanity or shut up.

          • msamericanpatriot

            Yes I do understand the Pharisees. It is you who doesn’t. Exodus 20:7″You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.”

          • Esther

            You are the pathetic broken record,mega-church Glen A. Still shilling for the atheist Jeff Dixon (aka Thomas Jefferson,) and attempting destroying good Christians,while yourself in pretense of being a Christian? Looks like you indeed are doing so! Like a mother hen. Does your wife know what you do for the atheist? Does your pastor?

          • Glen S

            To borrow from your mentor Ronald, Mary your behavior is bordering on cyber-stalking. You really should look up the statutes governing stalking. Following individuals (a least two, including me) around the internet and seeking personal information for the purpose of doing harm are easily demonstrated in your case. If you are not careful, a warrant may very well be sworn out on you.

          • RonMar

            You are threatening a woman with your bogus law interpretation. How ridiculous and unmanly of you. Disgusting!
            If you have anything to do with any warrant against anyone I promise you I will come after you unmercifully with the full force of real law.

            I have never seen such lowlife behavior online in about 30 years of online interactions. You have ripped it now, youngster. I am going to do what I have suggested you do to get a reading on your atrocious behaviors here from someone you profess to admire.

          • Glen S

            I call your attention to the National Conference of State Legislature’s link on Cyberstalking and Cyberharrassment. It lists each state’s statutes involved.

            http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/telecom/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx

          • msamericanpatriot

            Looks like I have a fan. Thank you Esther.

          • RonMar

            I believe I challenged him several weeks ago during the Zionica flap to take a copy of the thread with his awful comments to others to his “beloved pastor” in the edifice to ostentation that he says he attends for worship and whatever else they do there.
            Imagine how much could have been done in keeping with Matthew 25:31-46 with the money spent on that standing testament to greed, self-centeredness, sumptous living while others suffer, and wasteful stewardship of what God has allowed Glen, his “beloved pastor” and others in that place that will some day, perhaps soon be defiled and/or broken into small pieces and ground into the dust or blown away by the fire God is to send in the final battle between good and evil to destroy such places and people.

          • Glen S

            Mary, I call your attention to the National Conference of State Legislatures’
            link on Cyberstalking and Cyberharrassment. It lists each state’s
            statutes involved.

            http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/telecom/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx

          • Esther

            Glen S, As usual you are in my prayers. It seems according to one of our mutual friends that you have a serious problem having recently lost a loved one. I am devoted to the cause of helping people rise above hardships — if the atheist you so avidly support would be truthful you would know that — I pray for his redemption as well. In the meantime, be assured I am well aware of my friend RonMar’s prayers for you and together we will get you through this very hard period of your life. God Blesses.

            Please also note that the article to which you are addressing here is one on the issue of the boy scouts. You are posting on a world wide available website, one. And two, I am all for watching closely the news of what is happening to boy scouts. There are many boy scouts in my family back at least two generations. I will be watching what is being posted on the topic. Thank you for your concerns and I will keep your caveat in mind.
            Blessings,
            Mary Esther

          • RonMar

            ms, in over 40 English language translations of the Bible there are nine different words or phrases used for the purpose Jesus came in regard to the law or the prophets. For some reason(s) Glen seems to delight in majoring in the minors, quibbling over non-essential, really unimportant details such as he has done in replying to you.
            Fumbling ineptly with the other Scripture pill Glen throws at you, he pays no heed to the big difference between murder and kill in the Bible or elsewhere. He confuses “being angry” with “hatred” while lecturing you inappropriately and unnecessarily again on words and phrases. He also missed or skipped over deliberately the difference between being angry and “being angry with his brother without a cause.”
            Most condemning of himself he calls you a fool with his use of Proverbs 17:28, apparently unaware that he has just used Matthew 5:22 that says, in part, “whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” So he has put himself in danger of hell fire.
            In a way he crashes into trees, bushes and falls over cliffs into pits of his own making while trying to make his way through what must be an impenetrable forest – the Holy Bible – for him.
            He has a history of doing that, especially against women, as well as posting far off the topic and engaging in all kinds of ad hominem attacks, while insisting he is a Christian.
            He is an angry man, hurt by a long-running tragedy in his immediate family and the ultimate loss of a member of his family. To ease their pain, he and his wife went on a ship cruise in the Caribbean, as I recall.
            IMO as an ordained and working minister, a bacchanalian cruise is not a way for Christians to deal with such pain and mental anguish. For sure there are better ways, like a nice trip in the mountains near where he and his wife live, to the seashore, one of many Christian retreats in the US and the world, or about anything reasonable other than a cruise.

          • msamericanpatriot

            Thank you, Ron, for being a gentleman. Yes I have dealt with Glenn’s anger on numerous occasions. A Christian retreat would be far better than a cruise.

          • RonMar

            You’re most welcome. I was born a lifelong scholar and made a gentleman by an act of Congress commissioning me as an officer in the US Armed Forces. I appreciate your work. You make all kinds of good sense and speak plainly to people who need to be spoken to plainly in direct, simple terms such boneheads might be able to understand.
            Glen’s majoring in the minors and his holier than thou act are only two of his obnoxious behaviors that annoy me and prove he is not a Christian.

          • Esther

            Ron, thank you once again for your voice of reason.

          • msamericanpatriot

            Thank you, Ron. Yes he should have gone on a Christian retreat instead of a secular cruise for his martial problems. Yes he lives here in my city if I recall right and the mountains are about a two to three hour drive from here. Beach is four to five hour drive.

          • RonMar

            My sympathies to you for living anywhere near him. I know the area well since I grew up in the Knoxville area and ran the region for some years by plane, ground vehicles and boats.
            Historically there have been some dull-witted, ignorant and arrogant, lying first to themselves, lawless to one degree or another inbreds in the region. I thought they were dying off, being replaced by new, more intelligent people moving into the area and general progress. Obviously I was wrong about what I thought.
            New subject: Glen convicts himself with his own words and actions, but apparently does not see what he is doing to himself and others.
            On topic: There are many scout camps, retreats of one sort or another in the region where recovery and grieving could have been dealt with much more effectively than going on a whacky, wild, sumptuous-living cruise.

          • msamericanpatriot

            If I remember correctly he lives somewhere here in my city which is about 2-3 hours from the mountains and 4-5 hours from the beach when one is driving. Yeah I have tried to tell him he is in danger but the fool refuses to listen. Thank you, Ron.

          • RonMar

            “God … hates the sin of hatred,” you say. Then please explain the plagues in Egypt, taking of the Promised Land by force, destruction of whole groups of people, God destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, the Great Flood, the promises of wrath to befall sinners as told in the Revelation, other acts of God from near cover-to-cover in the Bible, and especially this, “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones (Psalm 137:9, KJV).”
            “Sin [is] in [the] heart[s]?” God the Father was not crucified on the cross, and His Son Jesus was resurrected after being crucified on the cross to atone for all of humankind’s sins by faith in the Lord God, Jesus the Christ-Messiah-Savior and the Holy Spirit through the grace of God.
            All will not be saved, including those engaging actively in perverted homosexual acts that God regards as an “abomination.” Some who believe they have been saved have not been. They do not bear the fruit of nor live and behave like God’s saved ones. They will be rejected by the Judge-Jesus- on the Judgment Seat.
            With your judgment of others and your general pattern of behaviors online in these threads a good question for you to ask yourself is: Where do I – meaning you – fit in the groups above? Glen, I have communicated with you privately before about the hurt and anger – hatred? – that I see so clearly in you as a result of the suffering in your family and your great loss.
            I am still praying about and for you over all of that although you have continued to commit sins and civil law violations against me and others online at another site that purports to be a Christian site. For example, you talked about me (and another, even others) there as if we were not there. You allowed yourself to be led astray by deceptions committed by one with whom you were exchanging posts there a few days ago.
            Perhaps you saw at least a couple of the things that one did. He told less than the truth about me and another, said he had banned us, when in fact, both of us had already left the site intending never to post there again. When I saw his untruth and copied it to communicate with him privately about it, he changed his untruth by taking out a few critical words so he could escape from the sin of bearing false witness that he had done.
            It is enough wrong that you have continued participating in that site and partnering with those that you do, writing grandiosely about your setting “policies” as I recall your posting there. I have your exact quote but am not going to waste any of my time looking it up; you know about what I am posting to you now.
            You made ugly remarks about my age, showing you have little-no respect for those older than you. You referred to me in ways indicating I am a has been, washed up, my glory days over as if I am not still serving the Lord, God actively in three ministries –
            1) to people less fortunate, most call them homeless although they are not;
            2) witnessing Jesus as the Christ to Muslims and others in their traditional homelands and here; and
            3) defending all Christians, the Christian faith belief and Christian Churches of all denominations against the godless unbelievers who are waging a Culture War against Christians and our Churches.
            In effect you (and some others with whom you ally) have defamed my character and that of others on that site, here and elsewhere. Writing untruths, guesses, assumptions on your part you have in effect called me a liar (and others too). You (and others of your allies that you have chosen of your own free will) judge me (and others) again, on that site, here and elsewhere.
            Your actions have put my life in jeopardy due to the places and with whom I do my ministries. Your actions have also cost substantially in finances those who partner with me in my ministries, and your actions are in effect diverting money from my ministries as well as harming the financing of my work for the Lord for which I accept no compensation of any kind, by the way. Indeed I use my own previously-earned resources as the Lord has blessed me to be able to do so for financing my ministries.
            I have remedies available to me, and you have left me no choice but to have put them into effect – praying without ceasing for you and your family, asking you again, as I am doing right now, to cease and desist, and legal recourse according to the US Constitution and its following body of US laws.
            I wish you and your family well while you continue working to harm me (and others), apparently in your hurt, bitterness, anger and hate-filled, unchristian ways.
            Now, having shared all of those things with you, I have nothing more to say to you on any online news thread. I also have no interest in anything you have to say to me. We – you and I – are finished in online news threads. So please try to govern yourself accordingly in all of the foregoing matters. Thank you.

          • Glen S

            As was stated to Esther, your making this comment to me on in a forum to which I was responding to a party which had nothing to do with you or Esther is one point in federal statutes governing stalking. These statutes are not civil they are criminal and result in criminal penalties. This point would have been explained or will be explained to you by any legal representation which takes your call.

            And as you have stated many times in the past that you are through posting in reply to me, but has taken your removal from one forum; I continue to wait for you to shut your mouth.

          • Esther

            I am a member of a family that has had many boys scouts until now when people like you have seen to it, it is now changed to a men-boy-love club. For what purpose? Well, that remains to be seen, but our many boys will not be there for their/your pleasure. So you are saying it is wrong for me to weigh in on the issue while knowing whose side you are on? Please tell me more.

          • Glen S

            As your banning from Zionica should have taught you, your comments rarely deal with the subject at hand.

            “You are the pathetic broken record,mega-church Glen A. Still shilling
            for the atheist Jeff Dixon (aka Thomas Jefferson,) and attempting
            destroying good Christians,while yourself in pretense of being a
            Christian? Looks like you indeed are doing so! Like a mother hen.
            Does your wife know what you do for the atheist? Does your pastor?”

            To again barrow from Ronald, the above statement from you has nothing to do with the subject at hand, is ad hominem, and the fact that you followed me to this site comes very close to stalking.

          • Esther

            “barrow” away Glen S. Note that I am delighted to see you challenged in reasonable ways all around here by these folks for Liberty News, as you were never vetted by your buddy the atheist/liberal whom you partnered with on the Christian site to destroy dissent… a very un-American thing to do. BTW, on your ridiculous rant, you have not addressed my comment about the Boy Scouts in my family. For what reason are you ignoring that part of of my post, huh, Glen S? You have never in fact addressed any comments of mine on topic to my knowledge.

          • Glen S

            Because your comments aren’t on topic with the conversation at hand, ever. BTW: Msamerican patriot thinks she is that which she cannot be. Ask her! She will be happy to tell you.

          • Esther

            Forget trying to make this Kentucky mega-church like your mega-church and pastor. That church in Kentucky and ours do not accept gays spending the night with our boys. See ya Glen S. You can attempt to hide the issue behind Ms Patriot’s character, but she is certainly not on your damnable side on this issue, nor is Ron Mar. Ms Patriot and Ron are true Christians. As am I. You just do not listen. What’s ludicrous is that you would use Lt. Col. Mar as your reference, while using your atheist, who does not evidently work well with you at all for all your efforts. You certainly spent enough time for him, yet your methods of obfuscation, in short, are clear. Here is you in a nutshell: the issue at hand is never, never addressed by you, thus, YOU make all your posted comments an ongoing issue, piling them up on others and sweeping under the rug inevitably what you reap. That is some history and obviously you are found-out by me as well as Lt. Col. Ron & Ms Patriot also, among others. You are thus the kind of teacher who never faces an issue or a person’s real knowledge about anything, you simply destroy the person for fear they know something you do not. That is you, personally experienced time and time again, I so testify. As it always is… you never answer a question. You are the worst of American educators, so no wonder Americans are at the disastrous bottom of the academic ladder world-wide. The colleges and universities are certifying people like you to teach. You now have access with your atheist to young boys of the now prurient BSA, just like the atheist would have it, you must be so proud. For your redemption of which you are in serious need due to your support of this issue on topic, you must have advice since obviously you do not understand the bible, take it from Lt. Col. Mar, not any atheist.

          • RonMar

            Truth and honesty is not part of your off topic, ad hominem attack posts. So the indication is they are not part of any of your life.
            Esther has been on topic far more than you have with your ad hominem attacks.
            Also, what are you trying to say here – “BTW: Msamerican patriot (sic) thinks she is that which she cannot be. Ask her! She will be happy to tell you.” Come on, lad, spit it out. Say what you really mean? Please don’t be such a weasel in your attacks on women.

            That makes you look so much like the atheist you have befriended in recent weeks. No wonder you have such a relationship with the atheist. The pair of you are so alike you make a sweet couple.
            Please man up now, if you know how and can do it. You chose to imply things about another poster. Stand up and defend yourself please.

          • RonMar

            I see you have decided to Follow me after accusing others using the Follow option of stalking you as criminal behavior. That is consistent with your usual non-Christian behaviors. So, I bid you welcome, young ‘un, and hang on tight since you are in for quite a ride.
            Now on topic, tell me please what exactly are your view on “300 BOY SCOUT FAMILIES LOSE SPONSOR …?”

          • RonMar

            Excellent, calling his weak hand, and calling him out.

          • Esther

            Excellent observations yourself, sir! Thank you.

          • RonMar

            Glen, you are committing defamation of character again. Neither Esther nor I were banned from Zionica. I already explained to you, boy, we left Zionica as an unfit place for us as real Christians to be spending our valuable time.

            You have been duped again, this time by Ted who was not truthful in his original post about us not being welcome there and him banning us. Then he changed the post when I caught him saying those untrue things.
            You, Glennie lad, are the master of off topic and of ad hominem attacks along with those with whom you have chosen to associate with and suck up to on Zionica and elsewhere. (BTW, it should be borrow, not “barrow.)
            Using the Follow option on Disqus or any other site management group is not stalking. So you reveal a certain amount of paranoia and try to defame another poster’s character yet again.

            You seem quite incapable of learning from your experiences, Glen. I guess you are one of those that requires a 2×4 between your eyes like a mule to get your attention. Keep up your bad behaviors, it’s coming, just be patient.
            I meant it when I suggested you take our exchanges to your “beloved pastor” and get help from him with your many problems. I suggest now you do that quickly, as Jesus told Judas Iscariot at the “Last Supper.”

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Ted Slater • 23 days ago

            Yup. Esther and RonMar are no longer welcome to participate on Zionica. I’ve banned them both.

          • Esther

            I was not banned from Zionica. I wrote to Ted Slater and told him I wanted to be blocked from responding to you, Glen S, Howard Johnson, and the other nefarious characters you gathered under your wing. Then he announced that he banned me. Write him and ask him. Let me know if he still is obfuscating as you regularly do. Thanks. :)

            Btw, are you still banned from CreationRevolution, where you spouted your regular atheist stuff regularly?

          • Glen S

            You and Ronald are welcome to continue feeding each other that lie. I choose to accept the published word of the moderator as the truth of how the events transpired.

          • Esther

            No one is looking to you for a permit. Do you work for the gestapo, the radical Islam’ists? As far as I am concerned, you are welcome to believe the atheist to the inth degree if you like. I am sure no one else wants the responsibilities of those bad choices of yours, either. Btw, I am sure the Lt. Colonel RonMar would agree that “you should” make your own decisions also. He fought for and others died for your right to do so. I note you have little respect for women as well as the veterans of this great country. You prefer atheists and in fact, look out for their welfare when you have no earthly reason to do so.

          • Esther

            Seeking the truth has never been your strong point. In that respect you and the atheist Jeff Dixon are just alike.

          • Glen S

            But telling the truth has never been yours, and that is the point of the comment.

          • Esther

            You haven’t the vaguest idea what you are talking about.

          • RonMar

            Amen.

          • Esther

            Amen. Same to you. sir. Thank you.

          • RonMar

            You have bought the lie of another when the evidence available to you shows Esther and I are right. The published word makes his lie actionable in civil court as defamation of character as many of you are likely to learn much to your chagrin and loss as soon as the several cases are ready for presentation.
            You have no idea what is going on in the real world, off these public news threads, and it is really none of your business at this point in time.

            How dare you call Esther and me liars! No Christian gentleman would behave as you do. I rebuke you in the name of the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ who will be your ultimate Judge.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Hmm, let’s see. Who should I believe? Esther or Ted? Now, Esther lies on a regular basis and has lied specifically about me. Ted has never lied about anything that I am aware of.

            There is no contest.

            Ted Slater •

            Yup. Esther and RonMar are no longer welcome to participate on Zionica. I’ve banned them both.

          • RonMar

            He lied, and you have repeated the lie. Both Esther and I left Zionica before he did anything. I have the e-mails between him and me to prove it, and he knows it.

          • RonMar

            I was not removed “from one forum.” As I have told you repeatedly I left the false advertising site where you remain pretending to be a Christian like the site that now has unbelievers and fakes predominantly as it continues to claim it is a site for Christians. It is not! Not at all. That is clear to anyone with a brain functioning above reptilian level.
            This is an open, discussion forum, Glennie. You go right ahead and file criminal charges against me. I suggest you first get legal advice in regard to filing or attempting to file false charges and your ongoing defamation of character on a worldwide-available, public site.
            You want “to [try] to shut [my] mouth.” Good. I am here, or I will come to your “church” and you are welcome to try.
            You are such an irresistibly charming, young person I find it difficult not to respond to your attacks on me, a woman of God, Esther, as well as others who see you for what you really are.
            Your dealing with a from birth handicapped child and his early death should have been more than enough for you. I believe it would have been for a normal person who would now be seeking peace in their life, but not you.
            I continue to pray for you, and even more for your wife.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Sure you were kicked off. Here is the confirmation from the site admin from Zionica.

            Ted Slater •

            Yup. Esther and RonMar are no longer welcome to participate on Zionica. I’ve banned them both.

          • RonMar

            So try to file a criminal complaint against me. FYI, I have an attorney who has assisted me for almost 30 years. There is no problem getting my calls answered.
            If anyone is a stalker on these forums it is you, running around giving up marks to faux Christians like you and down marks to my posts whether you read them or not.
            I can and do change my mind without your permission, lad, and I removed myself from Zionica which never appeared to me to be a Christian site.
            You want to try to shut my mouth you rude, threatening person you are welcome to give it a try.

          • Glen S

            “I can and do change my mind…” This only further demonstrates that you are a liar and are not to be trusted to keep your promises. Which in turn further demonstrates that you are NOT ordained.

            “If anyone is a stalker on these forums it is you, running around giving up marks to faux Christians like you and down marks to my posts whether you read them or not.” Who is following whom via Discus? Who interjected themselves into a conversation in which they were previously absent?

            Shall I post again for you the site which lists the laws of various states governing stalking? It seems in your delirium you have forgotten.

          • RonMar

            You are projecting again and still, Glen Stevens, two sure signs of insanity. I am not a liar, and I am ordained. Obviously judging by your posts your ignorance, nastiness and unchristian-like behaviors are exceeded only by your arrogance and petulant childishness.
            You will not dare call me to my face what you cowardly call me on the Internet.
            You are aware Disqus has a Follow option. That is not stalking.
            “Who interjected … [blah, blah, blah]. FYI I have a rich and full like in my ministry work. I cannot sit and monitor every conversation all day, every day and wouldn’t if I could. It is sufficient for me to check in from time to time and see if I want to comment. That is the way these sites are designed, even some with archives.
            Post whatever you like. The more you post the sillier you look and the more you build in the case file against you.
            I do not suffer delirium, and I do not forget much, nothing I need or want to remember. So you close with more of your projection – I remind you a sure sign of insanity.
            Please seek help. You owe it to your wife if you still have one in fact, and to the rest of your family, neighborhood, church if you actually attend. How easy it would be for you to print these pages and sit down with your “beloved pastor” to get his help, but you refuse – typical of the mentally impaired and people living in denial of their sins.

          • Glen S

            “You will not dare call me to my face what you cowardly call me on the Internet.” Yes I would.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You will always be welcome at the Westboro Baptist Church.

          • msamericanpatriot

            No thanks. They protest solider’s funerals as well as children. My moral standards are better than theirs.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You obviously misunderstand them.

            Allow me to slightly change one of your posts.

            Christ is interested in their views of homosexuality and he approves of them. The pathetic arguments against them fail to understand that hatred is allowed when it is done in a GODLY fashion like they are doing. God hated Esau and God hates homosexuals and said so FOUR TIMES if not more in the Bible. So they will always win and you will ALWAYS lose.
            Same argument for them as for you. You are a spiritual twin of their church.

          • msamericanpatriot

            No am I not. I will never ever be their “twin”. How is that view with your head up your ass, libtard.

          • Esther

            Lol. This is rich. Now the atheist interprets the bible for you on the world wide accessible site.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Of course you are their twin. You both hate gays and state it loudly and proudly. Why deny what you know is true? Do you hate gays?

          • msamericanpatriot

            Other Christians have come on here and stated their hatred as loudly and proudly as I have and that doesn’t make them twins of Westboro any more than me. I hate gays because GOD hates gays. Hey atheist why not go bother an Islamic.

          • Esther

            He would not bother an Islamic citizen. He and Glen S treats women the way they do for in case they come for us, he will be accepted as a dhimmi.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Really, that is your defense? Others are just as bigoted as you? Well, congratulations, yes they are. That does not change one thing I stated about you.

          • Esther

            Your defense is Petroskham, Howard Johnson, Bighoss, fliteking (oops not him), who else? hmmmm.. you know! People like those, and you questions others defense? Too funny. Also, you did not answer her last statement. Problem with that, atheist?

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            And your defense is Ronnieboy. Good luck with that defense.

          • Esther

            Once again your are wrong atheist. I have my own evidence that is strictly between you and me, which at this point is likely of no interest to anyone though important to me personally. In fact, it uplifts me daily, apart from what is going on. Although, Lt. Colonel RonMar has strong evidence — available on this world wide available site — that his reputation as a man of God has been maligned by you and others of your coterie. I do not have to be a part of that, I can read just like anyone else, that you have never been respectful to a man who has spent his life in service to this country while you have done what? I believe you have done a lot to weaken our country…. All I have to recall is your support of those who deny Benghazi is an issue and support infanticide. That is reason enough for me to see you as a danger to our safety in this country. I am an American woman. I have been well trained as a scientist. I have resisted your insults and will continue to do so. atheist.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I see that you continue to post nonsense.
            Ronnieboy has zero evidence. I mean no evidence at all that he has been maligned. But I am sure you will continue to post more nonsense. Good luck with your non-existent lawsuit. When and if it gets filled, expect to lose everything you own.

          • Esther

            You said “Good luck with your non-existent lawsuit. When and if it gets filled, expect to lose everything you own.” Who are you talking to, Jeff Dixon? So you want to engender a lawsuit? Your little charade to destroy me has not worked, so now this. I am still standing and I am doing exactly the public service that I told you I would do when we first talked. I have not diverged from my plans, you have not destroyed me as was your intention. I still don’t know why except you are disappointed in my success. Is that what’s got you so worked up?

            With regard to Lt. Colonel RonMar: He said publicly that you and your group has damaged his reputation. I know you have been very insulting to him, and gathering people to insult him for you. I have seen it and so have many others. I AM NOT THE ONLY WITNESS TO YOUR BEHAVIOR TOWARDS A MAN WHO HAS SPENT 38 YEARS IN UNIFORM, UNDER A VOW TO PROTECT US. Wake up, atheist.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            He can say anything he wants. That does not mean he has proven anything. Stating you both are loons is an opinion. That either think you can sue for that is laughable.
            I have never tried to destroy you. I merely refuse to let you post lies. It is very simple. Stop lying and I will stop responding.

          • Esther

            You are not an open book. I am. I have never hidden anything from anyone who wants to know about me. You have had the privilege of discovery of every private weakness that I have and you have told everyone on Zionica and CreationRevolution, which I divulged to you in private conversation when I trusted you. I discovered too late you are not worthy of my trust. My weaknesses, as any human being, physically, for one, near death in December in a hospital bed (that you did not know until now), you have subsequently used those weaknesses as a lever to promote your purposes. It is despicable what you have revealed about me what I told you in private. As one commenter said, you are “not a good player.” Want to know? I can tell you who said it. You are still using those weaknesses against me and have gathered your coterie about you to support you when they do not even know why I have come close to detest you, which you and I know, is not Christ-like.

            You can rest assured if that is what you want (as I always did give you what you want if it is legal) I have no wish to drag you into court. Lt. Col. RonMar seems to be a different story. He is an individual who needs to have some credibility with enemies of the United States both foreign and domestic. When you challenge his credibility, you are messing with the military. Now who is the loon? He thinks that you are one of those enemies and you act like it, constantly attacking Christians at a fragile time in our history when the adversary is not only at our door, but everywhere in our country and other countries where our people are in harms way. Need I remind you of Benghazi 9/11/12, or 9/11/01? Thus, he has his military justification for concern. If you cannot see it then you have provided another reason why I never should have befriended you to the extent I did. I do not need or want a victim. You should know that. I have Jesus Christ as my Savior, of no concern to you other than I am NOT your victim, you are not mine. Accept that I am a follower of Christ and stop with your pitiful accusations against me.

            By the way, Jeff, you do NOT know how Christ works in my life. Accept that there are some things about others you cannot understand, and stand back and leave them alone in their private life to do the best they can.

          • Esther

            You have a problem with her last statement, atheist?

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I have a problem with anyone who thinks she is sane.

          • Esther

            Her last statement is an excellent one, We all would like to hear your answer.

          • Esther

            So you have a problem with anyone who thinks they are sane. I get it. LOL.

          • Esther

            I like your last statement. Thank you for asking it. I think we should press him for his answer, dear sister in Christ. He really should face up to the possibilities, let us pray for him and all such degenerates.

          • Esther

            The Gestapo Jeff Dixon demands to know you hate gays. Gestapo man, if you love them that is reason enough to suspect what they are up to must be wrong. One does not need to hate anyone, just recognize they are sick by their close association with you..

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Gestapo? Please name one person I shut up or show one event where I have prevented anything from occurring. You know, like the actual gestapo did. You merely continue to show yourself to be a loon.
            Yes, I said a loon, Ron. Get your imaginary lawyers ready.

          • Esther

            Ha! Just look at your support of atheists such as Hitler. He is one of your closet atheists you are weary to claim. I should have said ss instead of gestapo. I think the latter were russian but as far as I know they were outright atheists, not hiding behind Christians as you do.

          • RonMar

            You give yourself away in your ongoing attack on a Christian woman by using the homosexual word “gays” for perverted sexual behaviors in same sex unions.

          • RonMar

            You understand nothing. You have no right or good reason to change anyone’s post, ever, for any reason, even your most evil ones as you engage non-stop in your attacks on Christians and Christianity.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I understand enough. I have every right to express my opinion. That is all I have ever said. You simply post nonsense.

          • RonMar

            “Allow me to … change one of your posts.” This site has gone completely over the cliff if it allows you to do such things to attack a Christian woman and get away with it.

          • RonMar

            How do you imagine you know that? Are you a member, regular attendee, participant in their demonstrations against loyal American patriots who have given all, their families and friends? The latter about you would not surprise me at all.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Because I can comprehend English.

          • RonMar

            I have seen no evidence ever in any of your posts for months now of your assertion.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Except of course that you responded to me in English.

          • RonMar

            You are projecting again and still – two more instances showing signs of insanity. You are the kind who would be welcome at Westboro and disturbing the survivors of our fallen warriors who have fought for your Constitutional rights.

          • RonMar

            FYI, Glen boy, Jesus Himself was profane. You would know that if you understood the Bible at all or really knew Jesus.
            Why do you insist on attacking women here? Do you hate women for some reason(s), perhaps blame a woman for the tragedy and misery in your life?
            Wow! Boy, oh boy, you have really stepped into an abyss now – “I (and Christ for that matter) am less interested in your views ….”

            FYI, you are not the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ or the Holy Spirit. You have no right or authority to speak for the Holy Trinity or any one of the three in one.
            There is no place in this universe where you can run or hide from God for what you have done and persist in doing.

          • RonMar

            Glen Stevens, see my post above to bodey043 as you join in the attack on msamericanpatriot with whom, according to you, you have some history that displeased you.

          • RonMar

            So now, Glen Stevens, you imagine you are comparable to Jesus the Christ in your totally off topic of the Boy Scouts, ad hominem attack rudely shouting in all caps online against a Christian woman.
            FYI, msamericanpatriot used the Scripture in just the right way as I have never seen you do.
            Also msamericanpatriot models much closer to Jesus the Christ than I have ever seen you do. So many people like you forget if you ever knew that Jesus called the religious/political Jewish leaders of His time a nest of vipers. He also threw the money changers and sacrificial animals and fowl sellers out of the Temple, overturned their tables, scattered their money, and chased them out with a cord He knotted Himself.
            Even you should know Jesus so vexed the Jewish leaders that they clamored for the Romans to crucify Him, thus fulfilling prophecy.
            “Exegesis” is a really big word for you and one I have no doubt you do not understand in the least, no more than you do the Bible.
            If you imagine you know the Bible please post here in one, short sentence the central message of the Bible from Genesis 1-the last few verses of the Revelation.
            The way you attack other Christians you are right in line with Islamic jihadists and other unbelievers in God like the atheists and Satan worshipers.

          • RonMar

            Obviously you don’t know or understand the real, historical Jesus the Christ-Messiah-Savior, or his Father God well enough to keep you from using God’s Holy Word in a wrong way. What you do is the serious sin of blasphemy, and attacking a woman, calling her evil, when she clearly is not. Shame on you.

          • Esther

            That script does not say exactly what is evil. Did you notice that? I do not see the word profanity.

          • msamericanpatriot

            Thank you Esther. You are so correct.

          • Esther

            You’re welcome. A woman standing up for her children is often accused of calling people “child molesters” especially the atheist types, I am not saying bodey043 is one of those. It’s just that I am at a loss to understand that kind of sick, male mind to insult someone who obviously stands for the right thing for children. It’s pretty obvious bodey043 is ignoring your initial, real intent and you do not deserve to hear what he said to you. Also, I can’t help thinking he knows better, but I won’t bet on it.

          • RonMar

            Are you aware that Jesus called the Jewish religious/political leaders of His time a nest of vipers, drove the money changers and sacrificial animals and fowls sales people out of the Temple with a cord He knotted, overturned their tables and scattered their money and goods, and ultimately so vexed them that they clamored for the Romans to crucify him?
            All of that is in the Bible from which you did your proof texting, tossed a Scripture pill at another poster in your effort to judge that poster. I suggest you look up those stories in the Scriptures and study them. They are in the NT, the Gospels.

          • bodey043

            Like all idiots attempting to justify their own poor judgement and behavior your own example is what demonstrates your ineptitude. Jesus’ actions where against the religious, leaders, and those who would take advantage of others. His actions were toward those who though they clearly knew the words of the Law and the Prophets; they did not understand the deeper meaning of the Law or the Prophets.

            Neither do you, Esther, or msamericanpatriot. If any of you did, you would not be chasing posters around the internet claiming that anyone who quotes scripture is tossing Scripture pills.

            You are an bitter old man dreaming of a better time in his life and wishing he had more influence than to send poorly drafted commentaries to the White House and state opinions about traffic patterns to the local media.

          • RonMar

            Something similar to this – “there’s something for you in Girl Scouts” – is what a lot of men and women, child molesting perverts have said who have gone into teaching. As much as you read you must be aware of that problem in US schools.

          • Esther

            Not!

          • Linguist Scouter

            Den mothers went out in the 1970′s when all Cub Scout positions opened up to female leadership. From that point on, the position was called “den leader.”

          • msamericanpatriot

            Wrong.

          • Linguist Scouter

            Glad you could clear that up with your excellently sourced evidence. Enjoy the Kool-Aid.

          • msamericanpatriot

            I do NOT drink kool aid. I DRINK TEA DAMN IT!!

          • msamericanpatriot

            I do NOT drink Kool-Aid. I DRINK THE TEA!!

          • RonMar

            I am a full up heterosexual, Christian man and served as a Den “Mother” of my youngest son’s Cub Scout pack in the mid-1970s because there were not enough women to take the volunteer jobs. Too many of them were busy doing what Gloria Steinem and others talked them into doing. They had abandoned their roles as mothers, even as wives, and the American family went quickly to hell in the proverbial hand basket.

            There was no pedophilia or any sexual hanky-panky involved in the least. I enjoyed the time with my youngest son and his friends.

      • Joel A. Ohmer

        Bull! Scout leaders are called to speak about religion and spiritual needs. Seems you were visiting the wrong Troop.

        So, you are saying you’re automatically immoral and “not upright” because you’re bisexual? Strange.

    • Guest

      You don’t know anything about Jesus.

    • RonMar

      If you are a Christian you must know Jesus is one of the Holy Trinity – One God in Three Forms – God the Father, God the Son-Jesus the Christ, and the Holy Spirit that Jesus left with us when He rose into Heaven.
      Jesus did turn His back on the Jews/Hebrews as God had done before. Jesus so vexed the Jewish religious and political leaders of His time that they clamored for the Romans to crucify Jesus, thus fulfilling prophecy. So Jesus most certainly did exclude.
      Jesus may not have said a word about homosexuality, but then why would he. His Father had already condemned it as an abomination. In his gospel Matthew quoted Jesus instructing His disciples on how to respond to people of cities that did not heed their words which were the words of the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ (Matt. 10:14:15, cf., Luke 10:10-12). In a clear reference Jesus linked the people in those cities to Sodom and Gomorrah.
      The homosexual behaviors in Sodom are made clear in Gen. 19:1-25, esp. vv. 4-11 and God’s/Jesus’ punishment for the behaviors of the people in vv. 24-25.
      In the Levitical laws on holiness, God’s/Jesus’ view of homosexual behaviors is made crystal clear (Lev. 18:22 and the punishment at Lev. 20:13).
      In his letter to the church at Rome, Paul, a follower of Jesus, apostle of the Lord, God, early in the letter after the greeting and statement of the theme of his letter addressed hom

  • Nora Rich

    The church didn’t bring sexual orientation into the current conversation, the gays did. Before gay activists tried to take the scouts over, both gay and straight youth were for the most part getting along. No scout leader had to come out as gay, that was their business. Why do we need to know who is gay or straight anyway, I don’t go around declaring I am a Hetrosexual. I don’t need to know who is gay or straight unless I am in a relationship with them

  • justathought22

    Wonder who is going to stick up for the Boy Scouts when they get hit with their first lawsuit because some gay guy starts hitting on straight kids or for that matter has unwanted sex? Yep NO ONE.

    • Joel A. Ohmer

      Homosexuality doesn’t equate sexual depravity. In fact, all the child molesters I know of are heterosexual.

      • rlester1967

        Good Morning, Joel
        YOU are ABSOLUTELY correct…
        The VAST majority of pedophiles are documented as “straight, white males.”
        I think bring the issue of sexual orientation of a youth between the ages of 10.5 and 18 is a HUGE mistake.
        As memory serves, I volunteered to assist the YOUTH of my area to become better citizens…I do not remember there being any reference to gay or straight youth.

        • msamericanpatriot

          Then explain grooming throughbreds. A throughbred in the homosexual sub culture is one who WAS sexually assaulted by a HOMO when they were a child. That is why the Man Boy Free Love Association and the FEMALE AUXILIARY have a slogan,”Sex before 8 or it is to late.” You two are BOTH wrong.

          • Joel A. Ohmer

            Sorry, MSAmerican, read a book … it will help you understand better. What MaMBLA and the “Female Auxiliary” say about anything is not relevant to this discussion no more than what Heterosexual Athiests say about God.

          • msamericanpatriot

            I have read a book and it is relevant. It shows that homos groom more homos therefore homos are usually more pedophile than straights.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No name for the book?

          • msamericanpatriot

            It was my cousin’s book. She was reading it thinking of becoming a Girl Scout leader. She has now since become a Heritage Scout leader. So I dont remember the book title and I think she burned the book.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Why would she burn a relevant book? As the Church lady used to say, “how convenient”.

          • msamericanpatriot

            To her it was disgusting and needed to be burned. She didn’t want her daughter to see it or her brother’s son.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Then perhaps it is not as relevant as you originally claimed.

          • Esther

            Nothing you say is ever relevant as you ever claim.

          • msamericanpatriot

            You got that right sister. He is only relevant to him and his bromance buddy, Glenn.

          • Esther

            I have never heard the term bromance, good sister in Christ, but it is a word that is very descriptive of their relationship. Note also however that he does have several other bro’s who have not yet joined in the conversation at this site.

          • RonMar

            She answered your questions, Jeff, with two good answers. A real man who respected himself and others, especially women like your daughter when she is of age, would stop right there.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, she really did not . She only offered answers that you like, which are merely nonsensical ones that acknowledge a mythical god. My daughter has nothing to do with this.

          • Glen S

            Jeff, remember msamericanpatriot is NOT required to provide authentication for her espoused opinions. Remember, this is the same person who believes she is empowered by God to pronounce curses on people.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I know. I have seen her postings over the years. She should be an embarrassment to anyone calling themselves a Christian.

          • Esther

            LOL. Cozy you two: Mega Christian meets atheist.

          • Glen S

            I want, no demand, one of two things after this statement. First, point out exactly (Book, Chapter, & Verse) where from the accepted Bible it says it is acceptable for a Christian to be such a jerk; or, I want a full apology for all of the garbage and lies you are guilty of spreading.

            If neither of those two are acceptable, you are guilty of stalking and should stop posting immediately.

          • RonMar

            “I demand” nah, nah, nah, nah, hah. Okay then, you show me “where from the … Bible it says it is acceptable for [you claiming to be] a Christian to be such a jerk, or I want a full apology for all of the garbage and lies you are guilty of spreading. If neither of those two are acceptable, you are guilty of stalking and should stop posting immediately.”
            You said it, boy, now apply it to yourself.

          • Esther

            Lt. Col. RonMar. Our hero. <3

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Sorry we are not fitting your preferred meeting of two crazy people. I can see why you like msamericanpatriot. She voices the same nonsense that you post.
            Glen and I agree that you are absurd. That is pretty much it.

          • Esther

            You are not sorry for any misery you cause. Again you lie.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I did not apologize for any perceived slight you may have felt. I see your comprehension skills still border on the pathetic.

          • RonMar

            Umnh, huh. Slight? You call what you have done a “perceived slight.” That won’t fly where it counts, Jeff. And you are projecting still and again with your “I see … comprehension skills still border on the pathetic.” Obviously you are going to have to learn your lessons in the hard ways. Too bad for those who are depending on you.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, I call what you feel a perceived slight. Your comprehension skills are still pathetic.

          • RonMar

            More of your way off topic, childish name calling, attacks on Christians, two women, not only one but two. Oh what a man – not!

          • msamericanpatriot

            Yes they are quite cozy, my sister in Christ, makes you wonder if they don’t have a bromance or some such nature now does it.

          • Esther

            Indeed it does! I have wondered where Glen s goes to church. He does not act like a true follower of Christ and now he follows Jeff a devote atheist. .

          • RonMar

            Good one. I like it. Short, to the point and such an accurate statement.

          • Esther

            Thank you.

          • RonMar

            You know no such thing. Remember you are a self-avowed atheist. You do not believe in God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and you believe all Christians are fools, you attack them near non-stop. Sheesh!
            Remember the line from the movie Forrest Gump, “Stupid Is As Stupid Does.” That line suits you in your posts.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Yep, I am an atheist. Congratulations, you actually posted something factual. But that does not change the reality that msamericanpatriot posts nonsense. I am sure you enjoy her rants against gays. Which is rather amusing since you act so gay yourself, calling another man your pet.
            I do remember the line from Forest Gump. A man who had limited intelligence uttered it. I am sure you relate to that very well.

          • RonMar

            You don’t get it, not any of it, never have, do not now and are not likely to do so. Perverted homosexual behaviors are not “gay,” not in the least, never have been, are not now, and most certainly will not be for the unredeemed when their time comes to be judged by the Judge as you will be also.

            The character Tom Hanks played in Forrest Gump was presented as much more intelligent than you do yourself in your posts.

          • Esther

            You know!? What do you know? Are you in agreement that Glen S is right that she is not required to provide authentication? Just in case that is what you “know” I want to remind you of your many long dissertations on zionica and creativerevolution where you never gave references!

          • RonMar

            No Glen Stevens, not on people, but you imagine she pronounced a curse on you. In fact any curses in your life I am sure you brought on yourself by your own hateful behaviors.

          • Glen S

            You are welcome to read the entire exchange and the reaction of everyone following the discussion at:

            http://zionica.com/2011/07/21/aclu-sues-inn-for-refusing-to-host-lesbian-wedding-reception/

            But, you are not going to do so. Oh, you are going to come up with some stupid excuse like, “I don’t open links from questionable people.” But the reality is that the evidence is in writing that msamericanpatriot actually follows the occult and not the Jesus of the Bible. And a more important truth is that you have just stepped knee deep into a matter of which you know nothing.

          • RonMar

            Glen, as always you are wrong, living your miserable life on false assumptions. If I choose to do so I will open the link on Zionica although you posted it.

            Your interpretation of evidence like your interpretation of the Bible does not interest me in the least. I know the Bible, and I am getting to know misamericanpatriot.

            I form my own opinions about people and am not interested in yours, since I have seen how biased, hate-filled and mean you are, you not at all even attempting to imitate Jesus the Christ in your disgusting, obnoxious behaviors in your posts.
            Take it to your “beloved pastor” young man before it is too late for you.

          • RonMar

            You butted into her talk with another poster. Try to be nice and patient. She might give you the name of the book if you are nice.
            Knowing you I don’t believe you want the name of the book for any good purpose. Her points don’t match your bias and favoritism for homosexual behaviors.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You do not read much do you? She claims her sister burned the book and she does not remember the name of it. Rather bizarre since the book was so relevant. However, I am sure you find it completely normal. Book burning is probably one of your favorite activities.

          • RonMar

            Yes, I read a great deal but not much fiction as you apparently read and produce. No, I have never burned a book. As a matter of fact I restored and preserved hundreds, maybe thousands of books while working in the seminary library as one way to pay for my education in seminary.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I took a look at the link that Glen provided on msamericanpatriot.

            Here is a post from her

            msamericanpatriot Howy • 2 years ago

            “Your wrong. Your more unstable than I will ever be. Help made me this way. They got frustrated with me. You do not know if I am autistic or developmentally disabled or have CP or MS all of which are disabilities. I have no sin therefore I can pass judgment on you libtard. Mental illness is considered a disability along with those others I listed. Rot in hell and Azrael is on his way.”
            She claims to have no sin. Do you agree with her? After all, you are the expert on religion, right? Is she making a true comment about being sinless?

          • RonMar

            There is a point to your post? No. Only another attempted attack by you apparently on a Christian and a woman at that. As you prove by your posts you are such a fine man – not!

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            And her she is acknowledging that she has cursed someone. Is that the actions of a good Christian? You are the expert, right?

            msamericanpatriot Howy • 2 years ago

            Your the one full of it. Genesis 12:3 backs me up. Your going to hell and my curse stands as it is. Consider yourself DAMNED!!

          • RonMar

            The beginning of a sloppy, attacking Christians post by a brilliant atheist, brilliant in the British sense of the word as it applies to you – “And her she is ….”

          • RonMar

            You are boringly repetitive in your posts Joel.

        • RonMar

          Please explain or try again on this incoherent sentence – “I think bring the issue of sexual orientation of a youth between the ages of 10.5 and 18 is a HUGE mistake.”
          With your views on pedophilia and same sex activity, it is disturbing to see you post that you “volunteered to assist the YOUTH of [your] area ….”

      • Proud2bfromtheUSA

        So in your eyes a man who gets his jollies molesting boys is not gay if he is married and has children of his own. Gays can do all kinds of things to convince themselves and the world around them that they are straight.

        • Joel A. Ohmer

          Proud2b … do some research on sexual abuse. Molestation and abuse are about POWER and CONTROL. A pedophile will molest either sex because young kids are so androgynous. Open a book and learn something before assuming a pedophile who molests boys is automatically gay. PLENTY of pedophiles are married men.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Shortland/513824150 Steve Shortland

            How many girls molested by priests? The only straight molesters look like Deborah LaFaye.
            Molesting priests are chicken hawks, looking to recruit youths to their lifestyle.

          • papagrune123
          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Confidential Vatican reports obtained by the National Catholic Reporter, a weekly magazine in the US, have revealed that members of the Catholic clergy have been exploiting their financial and spiritual authority to gain sexual favors from nuns, particularly those from the Third World who are more likely to be culturally conditioned to be subservient to men.

            The reports, some of which are recent and some of which have been in circulation for at least seven years, said that such priests had demanded sex in exchange for favors, such as certification to work in a given diocese.

            In extreme instances, the priests had made nuns pregnant and then encouraged them to have abortions.

            The US article was based on five documents, which senior women from religious orders and priests have presented to the Vatican over the past decade. They describe a particularly bad situation in Africa. In a continent devastated by Aids, nuns, along with early adolescent girls, are perceived by some as safe sexual targets. The reports said that the church authorities had done little to tackle the problem.

            The Vatican reports cited countless cases of nuns forced to have sex with priests. Some were obliged to take the pill, others became pregnant and were encouraged to have abortions. In one case in which an African sister was forced to have an abortion, she died during the operation and her aggressor led the funeral mass. Another case involved 29 sisters from the same congregation who all became pregnant to priests in the diocese.

            Source: The Independent

          • Esther

            Those men are not followers of Christ, meaning, they are not Christian. They are using the cloak of Christianity, as did Hitler and other closet atheists.

          • msamericanpatriot

            No they are not my dear sister in Christ.

          • steve8714

            Sisters are not children. I can in addition only speak of the Church in the US,

          • Esther

            Regardless, sisters are supposed to be celibate no matter where on Earth they serve.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            So are priests. So what?

          • Esther

            My point is directed at your comment about sisters giving into priests who offer them money for sex. Furthermore, it should jog your memory what I said about folks who use the Christians as a cover for their illicit life style. Yes, both priests and nuns (sisters) take a vow to be celibate. These people involved who commit these kinds of acts are not Christian, they do not follow Christ. The definition of a Christian is one who follows Christ. As you know, even an atheist can read the bible, even though he can not understand it, that is beside my point in this case. The point is the priests of such an illicit lifestyle can read the bible, but do so just to keep their job, having no intention to understand the fullness of it nor the consequences of their acts.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Perhaps the sisters are using the cover of the church to hide their illicit life style?
            The reality is that no one actually follows Christ. Some people follow what they believe is their idea of Christ. Which is why we see hundreds, if not thousands, of differing ways that people attempt to follow Christ.

          • Esther

            Of course they are complicit. No question. Just why they do I do not know and how the church lets them get away with it is another question. There are many questions. However, I have no doubt that many people who attend the Catholic Church actually are good Christians, people who actually follow Christ.

            Secondly, you do not know what you state is the reality “no one actually follows Christ.” Why do you speak in such absolutes? You do not know that, you have no way of knowing that. You are an atheist. You cannot understand the word of God. Period. End of story. You claim to be a proponent of science. Real scientists do not speak in absolutes.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Are there good people who are Catholics? Of course. There are good people all over the world, who believe many different things. Some are Catholic. Some are Protestant. Some are Hindu and even a few are Mormon. (That is a joke, in case you are being hypersensitive)
            But the people who claim to be Christians do not follow any set idea of what that means. We see that from the comments on this site. Petro disagrees with you. You disagree with Glen. Glen and Petro have not disagreed on here (that I have seen), but Glen believes in the Trinity and Petro does not. There is no standard about what it means to be a Christian. People say the bottom line is that a belief in Jesus is all that matters. But if you cannot even agree what that belief entails, it is meaningless.
            Religion is not science. Never has been and never will be. Real scientists do not speak in absolutes, that is true. But religious people do. And when they do, they open themselves up for ridicule.
            You speak in absolutes . And when you do, you are wrong as well.
            BTW, you told Key you were banned from Zionica. Just a little FYI.

          • Esther

            You don’t know what you are talking about as usual. Go cry on Glen S’s shoulder. He’s available for you. Good luck with that atheist.

            You have a nerve to interfere with my conversation with a true fellow Christian. Yes, I did not tell him that I asked to be blocked because of you, Howard Johnson, Petroskhan, Glen S and your followers. Key did not have to know the details, just that I miss his fellowship. But you would not understand. You must be so proud now that you are extending your lies all over a world wide accessible site about me.

          • Glen S

            Mary, “you are posting on a world wide available website.” (Your words!) Anyone can interject at any time. If you and msamericanpatriot want to have a private conversation, I strongly suggest exchanging email or Facebook addresses.

          • Esther

            I just discovered your problem : You do not know how to read with comprehension.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, he understands how to read nonsense.

          • Esther

            LOL. No, actually not. And now you show your limitations once more. Thanks for the evidence on this world wide available site.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Yes, all of our conversations are on the web. And you have one person agreeing with you. One. Who many consider to be an idiot. So, good luck.

          • Esther

            Actually if you were a truthful guy, that would make two. But you are not.

          • RonMar

            You are such a coward and with all of your bold talk you don’t name the “One.” If there is an idiot here as defined in the IQ, mental retardation professional literature it is you for continuing to do the same things expecting different results – another sure sign of insanity and mental disability.

          • Esther

            Not many people agree with you supporting a “lady” as you did who supports infanticide of Senator and POTUS Obama of llinois, Kermit Gosnell of Pennsylvania. I think you so shock people that they pretend you do not exist. You just hate dissenters of your ideology, eh, Jeff? (rhetorical question)

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            It is simply amazing how much nonsense you can pack into your comments. It is a real skill.

          • Esther

            Truth is what is packed in my statement about your definition of a “lady.” You should see about taking a supplement to protect your brain from memory degeneration. http://www.lef.org That is my biological-chemistry recommendation for you, free of charge.

          • RonMar

            Congratulations. For once you are right. He reads your posts and approves of them and of you.

          • Esther

            I love the news of mega churches. This one has the right idea about little boys and backing out of the BSA. Jeff is all for it. But Jeffie has no problem with sodomy, gays, and the like. Where do you stand on the issue Glen S? I think you might like it if I disappeared from the issue to allow the likes of the atheist to take effect. Do you want the likes of the atheist to take effect Glen S? Do you know of any similar mega churches?

          • RonMar

            You are no one, Glen Stevens, to be trying to tell anyone else what to do anywhere at any time about anything. Your attacks on women and Christians puts you in the same league as your new atheist buddy.
            You know you are so guilty of sin that you took away access to your FB, but alas too late for you.
            What other people do on these forums, in e-mails or any social network is none of your business. You would have been far better off to have paid attention to your own business.
            It is interesting to me that you and the atheist share the common tragedy of sons, yours greater than his as far as I can tell from what the two of you have posted, and you put on your FB.
            If you were really a Christian you would know better than to have done what you have done and continue doing online in these forums. If you did not know you are mired so deeply in sin you would take these pages and others from other sites to your “beloved pastor” and seek his advice as I have suggested to you several times in my capacity as an ordained minister trying to help you in your walk that is presently on a very wrong pathway for one who claims to be a Christian.
            You dare criticize and question me while you are sinning persistently and regularly, seeking no redemption for your many sins. With all of your “Bible knowledge” you should be able to find easily the Scriptures telling you what I have told you.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Yes, I have the nerve to interfere with anything you do on these sites. They are a public forum.

            Stop with the nonsense about being asked to be blocked. You were not blocked, you were banned. Both you and your new boy toy Ronnie.

            And I see your posts are being removed from other sites. I can hardly attempt to respond in many cases because your posts get removed so quickly.

            Congratulations on making yourself a pariah.

          • Esther

            Sorry, I was asked to be blocked, but that is not dramatic enough for the you, the new german superman, right Jeffie. So now you are diminished as a shill for Glen S. Congratulations, high school boy.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, you are lying. You did not ask to be blocked. You were banned.

          • Esther

            Nope, you are wrong as usual, atheist. Are you still banned from creationrevolution for all you reprehensible comments?

          • RonMar

            She is not lying, but you are, thus projecting again – multiple evidences of insanity.

          • RonMar

            Esther asked to be blocked, banned, whatever word you want to use. I withdrew from Zionica and told Ted Slater so before he did anything in regard to Esther or me.
            Again, I caution you to watch you lying mouth. I am not a boy, far from being a boy, not a toy or anyone you want to toy with as you will soon learn.
            You have been banned from sites and your posts, petroskhan’s and Glen Stevens’ post are also.
            Congratulations on your making a total fool of yourself on the Internet and engaging in both criminal and civil law violations.

          • Esther

            I am delighted the 300 boy scout families left the boy scouts in this mega church in Kentucky. They only did what my family did, following deliberation and prayers, to avoid our children’s contact with nefarious elements. I am not worried that your deeds will be exposed eventually by yourself since the purveyor of bad news is your stock and trade regardless if my posts are present. You have earned yourself quite an infamous reputation already with no help at all from people like me who are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and true supporters of the U. S. Constitution and our republic and proud of it. I proudly stand against your way. Carry on your destruction, people are watching you as well. We have seen you before. Thanks for the warning.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I know exactly what I am talking about. You are a loon.

          • Esther

            That is your regular old designation when you can’t think of the real relation I have to the truth. Btw, I am not your bud Despeville, so dream on atheist.

          • RonMar

            Yet another of your childish, ignorant attacks on a woman, Christian, Christianity in general, and your trying to defame character while not posting anywhere near related to the topic at hand. Shame on you again, again, again, again, again and again.

          • RonMar

            In a most meaningful way you made no claim that there are good people who are atheists or atheists who are good people. Thank you.
            The operative words in your next paragraph are “people who claim to be Christians,” and your naming petroskhan, Glen Stevens and posting what you understand about their conflicting beliefs.
            Like it or not you will learn some day “belief … [in Jesus] is [not] meaningless” but far from meaningless.
            There is much more science supporting Christian faith belief than there is your notions about how the universe and the earth came into being. Your not accepting the science is meaningless to everyone but you.
            “You speak in absolutes” is straight from postmodern philosophy and secular humanism. You would benefit from studying postmodern philosophy and how one of its major proponents, Michel Foucault, died alone of AIDS in a SF loft apartment abandoned by his same sex lover, to be more on topic than you ever are while spending practically all of your time and posts attacking Christians and Christianity.
            For I don’t know how many times I have posted here and elsewhere neither Esther nor I were banned from Zionica before we left that site of our own volition and free will due to its hostile nature to Christians and Christianity while Zionica claimed to be a site for Christians.
            Of course truth, facts, real evidence means nothing to you, not surprising for one who is proud to call himself an atheist.

          • RonMar

            Perhaps you “are using the cover of” [being a human being] “to hide [your] illicit life style.” Remember I asked you about the oddity that you have posted on these open forums about your sons including the one who walked in front of a car, and your invalid father but not your teen daughter.

            “The reality is that” you know nothing about Jesus the Christ or those who follow Him. Come on, try to use your head for something other than a hat rack, try to be consistent at least a little bit in what you post online. You have posted and bragged about being an atheist, so you do not believe in Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit.

            FYI, nowhere in the Bible does it say or even imply all people are to or will be the same. The original followers of Jesus the Christ were most different from each other in many ways. Even you should be able to figure out that much.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You read but you do not retain much. My son did not walk in front of a car. He was hit by one that ran a red light while he was riding a bike.

            You want to talk about oddities? How about a man who claims to be a minister who makes fun a child who was the victim of a hit and run? How about the oddity of a man who claims to be a minister who discusses what excites him to a woman who is not his wife? Those are very odd behaviors.

            RonMar Esther •

            It doesn’t take any time. I do it in passing and unconsciously:).
            What did you think of the Wicca in that place? In a strange way Wicca …well…arouse me :).

          • RonMar

            FYI my retention of what I read and hear is excellent tyvm. You posted online that your son was crossing a street with the light in his favor, and the driver of the vehicle ran into him. You did not say he was walking or riding a bike until your post above.
            I not only claim to be an ordained minister, I am one. I do not lie, but I know that is customary for atheists and other lowlifes who live among us.
            I did not make fun of any child who was a victim of a hit and run. I have never said anything in any post I have ever made about what excites any woman including my wife.
            You are continuing persistently to lie and attack me as a Christian, Christians in general and Christianity, and trying to defame my character – a violation of US civil law.
            What Wicca in what place? You seem quite confused. First you claim I said something about what excites a woman who is not my wife, then you post something about a Wicca somewhere and how the Wicca arouses. If you insist on lying you really need to get your lies straight and not confuse yourself with them.

          • Guest

            RonMar

            I give you again a friendly warning to stop your libel here or suffer additional consequences that will be most costly to you and cause great difficulty for your ailing father and son so stupid, drugged, drunk or all three to walk in front of a car.
            I guess in your mind, calling a child stupid, drugged, drunk or all three is a compliment.

          • Esther

            This is mild talk compared to your incessant badgering of Christians who no longer post on Zionica of their own volition, as Lt. Col RonMar and I no longer post there, likely due to you. You and your little gang are the reasons I asked to be blocked. I count Ted Slater as just another one of your private buds since he likes you to think he did the deed. He must love you so much. . .

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            RonMar
            “I give you again a friendly warning to stop your libel here or suffer additional consequences that will be most costly to you and cause great difficulty for your ailing father and son so stupid, drugged, drunk or all three to walk in front of a car.”
            So, calling a child stupid, drugged, drunk or all three is your idea of being nice to them?

          • RonMar

            You are so concerned about celibacy, pedophilia, homosexuality and perverted behaviors of all kinds. That reveals things about you.
            It sounds as if you are not enjoying your forced celibacy and are seeking criminal outlets for your lust. That makes sense in the context of some other things you have done and said online.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            For someone who claims to be able to understand so much about a person you get an amazing amount of information wrong. Your training has failed you, miserably.

          • RonMar

            Oh no, I don’t get information wrong, and no, my training has not failed me. You are such and easy subject on which I am using my professional experience, training, certifications and graduate education in not one but two graduate programs.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            They are female. You implied only boys were being raped. You are wrong. The Catholic Church is a worldwide organization.

          • RonMar

            He implied no such thing; you inferred it erroneously as you have about everything on which I have seen you post.
            He said “I can … only speak of the Church in the US” in the hope of clarifying for you his perspective. Then you attacked him in your childish ways by saying, “You are wrong” and adding a blatantly obvious statement.

            Jeff, as proven by your posts, you are not fit or equipped to engage in civil, adult conversation.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Of course he did. He asked “How many girls molested by priests?”
            That you consider me unfit is laughable.

          • RonMar

            No, his question implied no such thing; you inferred it erroneously based on your biases, prejudices and general blockheadedness.
            There is no question that you are not fit or equipped to engage in civil, adult conversation. You may laugh about it, but you laugh alone for the most part, except for a few others as unfit as you are.
            You can see the truth for yourself if you were man enough to do so. Count the up votes you get vs. the down votes and the posts that counter your silliness vs. those who side with you.
            Truth, facts, real history and current events hurt you and your causes, I know, but truth will make you free, John 8:31-33, in the Bible that you misuse in your many, many off topic attacks on Christians, Christianity and other posters.

          • Esther

            Stay away from things you know nothing about: science and religion.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You have no control over what I post. Sucks for you.

          • Esther

            You know nothing about science and religion. Continue to espouse as though you are a intellectual and you know all about them, and I will continue to comment as I see fit, same as allowed especially an atheist with a degree in finance only, that is, you.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Right, like you know anything about science. lol.

          • Esther

            You could not touch what I know in 20 years of concentrated study.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You are right. I never studied nonsense.

          • Esther

            I studied real science. You hate that I did, that I succeeded and thus, you have sought to destroy me for it since last May.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Then it is sad that you cannot understand it or apply it to life.

          • RonMar

            Prove your post is not another of your blatant lies, attacking a Christian woman, trying to defame her character. If you were man enough you would retract your statement and apologize for having made it now that your hand has been called on it.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Esther shonangreg •

            Ask him. I think I know his answer… Matter cannot be created or destroyed… So since he is an atheist, no god, he says matter was always there as well. Don’t quote me, I don’t understand a lot of what they talk about, just can’t keep up with it all.

          • Esther

            You talk fiction in comparison to the truth I have found as a scientist, which you cannot begin to comprehend.

          • Esther

            Your very statement once again supports your utter ignorance in science.

          • Esther

            Did you get the free reminder from this phd biochemist to take your memory pills?

          • RonMar

            Amazing! How conflicted and contradictory you are. You claim a great affinity for science and call it “nonsense.”

          • RonMar

            A person with a Ph.D. in chemistry, especially one who has worked in the field and taught the subject at a university as a professor of some particular designation most certainly knows far more about science than you do now or can ever hope to know.
            Your ignorance of science, however, does not keep you from running your mouth about it and exposing yourself on a worldwide-available, public site as one who knows little-nothing.
            Again I invite you to review the interchanges you have had online on several sites with people who know, understand and appreciate science while you do not.

          • RonMar

            Watch you mouth. You are addressing a lady.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, I am not. Nor am I addressing a gentleman.

          • RonMar

            I was almost certain my post would prompt you to yet another outburst of your obnoxious behaviors, civil law violation and attack against Christians online.

            FYI, I have been declared by an act of Congress a gentleman. I doubt anyone has ever mistaken you for a gentleman.

          • Esther

            Your “lady” would kill a newborn baby, sever the child’s brain stem, all for you. atheist. Women who are not as such “ladies” do dissent, to your obvious, extreme displeasure.

          • RonMar

            Again you take delight in attacking Christians and Christianity when in fact your own behaviors, commission of crime have been just as bad or worse. It will be far better for you to look after your own crimes and sins rather than throwing stones, figuratively, at other people.

          • RonMar

            This is well and widely known – “PLENTY of pedophiles are married men,” so there is no need for you to shout about it in all caps online. So also are plenty of pedophiles divorced men or women for that matter and single people, never married, widowed and of other marital status labels.

      • Legirons

        Joel, that is a dishonest method of looking at the issue. Of course more molesters will be hetero, there are more hetero’s. The issue is percentage and the percentage of homosexual child molesters is higher than the percentage of straight child molesters. When a group represents less than 10% of the population commits 25% of child sex abuse there is an issue. Be honest in your debate.

        • Joel A. Ohmer

          Then show me the 10% of gay child molesters.

          • Heidi

            Again look into the prison system. Seriously

          • RonMar

            I believe Joey has been in the prison system or will soon be so.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You would be wrong. Again. How many times must you be shown to be wrong before you shut up? Just curious.

          • Esther

            I know for a fact that you are wrong many times, so I think you are wrong again, atheist. Are you still banned from creationrevolution?

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Yep, stilled banned. Like you and ronnieboy are on Zionica. Sucks for you.

          • Esther

            No, not really. Ask your bud, Ted Slater for the truth.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            He has already banned you once. I see are working on #2.

          • Esther

            Nope, he simply wants you to think he did. He evidently wants to please ‘ittle Jeffie the atheist.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            That is a nice little fantasy world you live in.

          • RonMar

            It is truth, something you do not know or care about much at all as evidenced by your posts and your criminal and civil law violating behaviors on these sites.

          • Esther

            Truth is something you avoid like the plague.

          • RonMar

            You persist in spreading a lie. Leaving Zionica voluntarily was the right thing for me to do, Esther also apparently. And as I said I am close to leaving this site unless the site managers get you and some others more or less like you under control. I do not have to put up with such garbage and will not do so.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I am not spreading a lie. The admin for Zionica states he banned you. I believe him over you any day of the week.

            Ted Slater •

            Yup. Esther and RonMar are no longer welcome to participate on Zionica. I’ve banned them both.

          • Esther

            “The admin” said it so you believe it? Wow. Another clue to your practice of the scientific method. What we have here is the vast wisdom of a man who relies upon people he does not know and evidence he has never collected to form his deeply felt ideologies of crime, gays, lesbians, sodomites, abortion, infanticide, origins of the universe, the flood, evolution, Jesus Christ and God, all of which he spouts as utter truth as though he is the ultimate authority, on a daily basis condemning the beliefs of others in the face of their mortal enemies, and on world wide available websites. His deference to “the admin” says it all, what the source of his great “intellect” might be.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            So you told me to ask Ted for the truth and I have posted what he said he did. And now you laugh for my accepting what he said as accurate. You are too funny.

            Between the two of you, I have no experience with Ted lying about me and much experience with you lying about me. So, yes, I will take his word over yours.

          • Esther

            You have no experience of me lying about you and you have had one experience of Ted Slater lying to you about me. End of story.

          • Glen S

            That is your and Ronald’s stories. But the truth is quite different. Ted Slater has nothing to gain in lying and a lot could be lost. But in your minds, you and Ronald have a lot to gain to continue these vain charades. You seem to do a lot of looking into others’ pasts or believe Ronald about those pasts. Have you even Googled this man that you hold in such high regard?

          • Esther

            I have an idea: Google yourself and go jump in the lake when that person disappoints you. We are here when you get back so do not despair.

          • Glen S

            That is the best you can do? Actually, the list of sites on which you and your guy pal can post is growing thin. Your posts are getting deleted from any site with even a small amount of moderation. An intelligent, sane individual would recognize that she has backed the wrong horse. But, then again no one ever accused you have being intelligent or sane.

          • Esther

            You are babbling.

          • Glen S

            Again, that is the best you can do? I expect more from a woman longing for her better days when her Ph.D. actually gave her some credibility. Now what are you? A woman so longing for acceptance that she would follow an old man like Ronald around the internet.

          • Esther

            MsAmericanPatriot told the story that you are having trouble in your marriage. You actually discussed that with Ms Patriot? Shocking Glen S. simply shocking. Why would you divulge your private life online and dig into others private lives? I know Jeff Dixon the atheist likes to divulge my private life that you lap up like a puppy dog and use it to “help” me. But really, I wonder why, you poor man. You seem to have to follow me around to define your life for you, poking me on this, that and the other issue. Yikes! And really, do you hide Jeff Dixon the atheist to get that feather in your cap in your mega church? Is that what is planned for Jeff Dixon? I can see him on the stage of your mega church now. I would really love to actually see that, but really it is more likely you will be disappointed. Sorry buddy. It’s one more thing that will disappoint you. Just call me a prophet if you want to but really it is just my experience with Jeff Dixon that clarifies things. Ask all the other people who avoid or were deleted from Zionica. Jeff Dixon gave them a hard time about being Christian and for their belief in the flood, or the creation of the Earth by God, things like that. Check out Keyboardshark’s recent posts to Jeff Dixon. Those will more than indicate what Jeff has really been up to that you habitually ignore. Does it seem contradictory to you… you know… that Jeff Dixon the atheist is permitted? Well, take heart, and join the club. It is contradictory.

            .Also, you seem to be worried that I am not receiving my professional accolades. My science really is a major non-part or parcel of my daily activities now. I have my rewards regarding that work, it is ongoing, as it is adopted by others, in fact a very large commercial R&D in oil and gas research company, not an appropriate topic on this board actually, where their efforts beyond what I did is now proprietary, and I work only as a consultant when they don’t understand something I did. I am glad you asked the question… it is nice to articulate on that pleasant subject. Those researchers may well earn their Ph. D.’s in their efforts, picking up where I left off.

          • Glen S

            You should know better than to trust false information from strangers. Look where it has gotten you thus far. Shall we take a ride down memory lane? You trusted Jeff Dixon. You betrayed Jeff Dixon. You thought an entire site was on your side. You were banned from that site. You have trusted Ronald Marlar. He is lying to you about everything except is retired rank. And now you are trusting a woman who believes she is the incarnation of an archangel, and believes she has the power to pronounce curses.

            I guess it is true that delusional people continue to do all they can to demonstrate their delusions are true. Well, the chorus of individuals who demonstrate that your life is one big lie continues to grow.

          • Esther

            MsAmericanPatriot is my angelic sister. I will have another talk with her very soon I very much hope. She seems to know you. I can’t wait.

            So you have no opinion on the good man, Keyboardshark and his scientific opinions of Jeff Dixon the atheist. hmmm

            Do you EVER answer questions or are you always everywhere and nowhere at the same time? (Rhetorical question)

          • Esther

            I have one word for you: batty.

          • Esther

            msamericanpatriot

          • Esther

            Showing your true colors Glen S. MsAmericanPatriot seems to have pigeon holed you exactly where you belong.

          • Esther

            Time to lose you. Don’t you have someone else you can fix. I am tired of you.

          • Glen S

            You have stated emphatically that you were going to stop posting in response to me on numerous occasions. You continue to demonstrate yourself a liar.

          • Esther

            You must be thinking about my good buddy Lt. Colonel RonMar. He has said that to you several times. But you keep doing things that cannot be ignored. Like gossiping like an old lady. I do not recall EVER telling you anything specific as you have stated. BUT if ever you stop telling me what to do, and what I did etc etc… you would never hear from me again,,, that is the first time I say that. Of course let me reiterate. If you continue to gossip about me or my friends, I will be on this board like white on rice to respond to it. .

          • Glen S

            I make no such promise. You and Ronald followed me to this particular sight. You replied to postings I made to msamericanpatriot, a most colorful and hate filled poster with whom I have had dealings long before you and Ronald.

            Now, if you, Ronald, and msamericanpatriot want to continue this little charade of threatening lawsuits; I am sure that numerous of us who know who exactly each of you are can join together and take each of you for quite a bit.

            So again, start demonstrating the truth of any of what you have posted over the past several months; or shut up.

          • Esther

            Note the words B-O-Y S-C-O-U-T-S. It is my favorite topic. I have two young boys who WERE scouts and will be transferred to other healthier venues. But note well, friend of atheist… I will be there when gays/lesbians try to capture young children. Got it now? Don’t mess with the boys or the girls.

          • RonMar

            The Follow option is a Disqus option. Get used to it.
            Of course, I defend Christian women against vicious attacks any time I see such obnoxious, anti-Christian, anti-Christianity behavior. Defending Christians and Christianity is one of my ministry callings as a seminary graduate and ordained minister, as I have told you way more than once. Get used to that too.
            FYI, even in mortal combat I have never threatened anyone with anything. Once I am attacked, I return fire. So far that has worked well for me, but not too well at all for those attacking me.
            You claim to know exactly who I am. So post here your truths, facts as to exactly who I am, or as you say so much unlike a Christian speaking to a devout, Christian lady, “shut up,” quoting you.
            “Numerous of us … can join together and take each of you for quite a bit” is a blatant threat. So do it. I sincerely want you to assemble a group and try to take me “for quite a bit.” Please do.
            “Start demonstrating the truth of any of what you have posted over the past several months.” What exactly do you want, Glen? My record of accepting Jesus as my personal savior at age 14? My certificate of Baptism? My graduate degree diploma? My seminary graduation document? My ordination certificate?
            I am making arrangements currently to go to the Middle East for a month or more, most likely more, from late September-October into November, maybe December on my 15th mission working visit there since ’04.

            You are most welcome to join me there anytime in October to be sure, to see me working there as the evidence you demand. I can meet you at Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion Airport, Israel, at the border checkpoint between Israel and Jordan if you choose to arrive via Amman, Jordan, or any one or more of several locations in the Western Galilee, all the way from Lake Kinerret/Ginosaur aka the Sea of Galilee to the Mediterranean Sea.
            Please let me know. I look forward to seeing you there, your wife is she wishes to come, your “beloved pastor” and others from your church.

          • RonMar

            You are just so sweet, charming, irresistible in your off-topic, ad hominem attacks calling Esther and me liars, so very Christian of you – not!

          • RonMar

            No, Glen Stevens, our stories are the truth, and you will know that beyond any shadow of doubt at the right time and place.
            Ted had a lot to gain, but he chose to risk all that he could possibly
            lose. Why I do not know nor care much as a matter of fact.
            I have nothing to gain by lying ever, thus have not done so. FYI it is a part of the training of an officer who serves in the US Armed Forces, and it is also taught in seminary of which I am a graduate.
            You have posted no evidence that you have ever served in the US Armed Forces, or that you have ever taken one class at any seminary.
            What does this mean, Glen Stevens? – Spell it out please. Details please to support your claims.
            I have Googled and done other searches on me online, and as I expected found nothing that you have stated or implied about me that I have any interest in hiding as you have tried to do by removing the link to your Facebook – a futile effort on your part since it is so easily accessed by other legal means available to anyone with a computer who knows how to use it with some sound judgment and good sense.
            Sound judgment and good sense are qualities you apparently lack as shown by your posts and other actions.
            I did find much out-of-date, erroneous information and many people with my name including my middle name and middle initial, all of them except me that I do not even know, have ever known and are of no interest to me.
            You have made some posts based on some of that out-of-date,
            erroneous information and apparently about people with my name in part or whole.
            If you would like to post here or elsewhere or e-mail to me some specifics of what you are so gleefully and hopefully hoping Esther will Google and “discover” please do so. I will confirm or deny the specifics honestly and in cases of denial will point out to you the
            truths that you obviously do not know, based on your posts intended to
            defame my character, put my life in jeopardy and cause me lesser harm.
            And you call yourself a Christian. Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame on you.
            I keep praying that you will somehow get over your hurt, its resultant
            anger and seek help for your many problems including help from your
            “beloved pastor” by taking these posts in their entirety to your pastor
            and discussing them with your pastor.
            Then you may be able to seek forgiveness, redemption, maybe even salvation from the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ, the God that I serve diligently as guided by the Holy Spirit in my several ministries.
            GFY, F=Forgive, you can figure out the G and Y. Good luck.

          • Esther

            I recall the first and early subsequent posts I received from you as though you are going to take charge of my life. Out of the clear blue. Like in Stuart Little when the falcon attacks Stuart and his sweet little bird friend. The atheist so enjoyed you, Remember that? My little cub scout so loved that movie. Guess which side they are on.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I actually have many experiences of you lying about me. You lied that I am gay. You lied that I molested the friends of my daughter. You lied that I tried to get you to do something illegal.
            But I have no experience of Ted lying. Not one.

          • Esther

            Wrong. Already addressed.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Not even close.

          • Esther

            Wrong, Jeff Dixon, your lies evidently were accepted by Ted Slater as truth. You took him, as you took me in the beginning… into your dark atheist world. Your attention to protect your lady from criticism when she spewed her hatred at me for exposing Obama’s infanticide and his nefarious part in the Benghazi incident the week before the election are the tales you do not want told.

            When I saw that same writing on the wall, when Ted Slater came to Zionica to stop our fighting, I asked Ted to block me when he asked me personally who I thought should be blocked. He blocked only me of my list. I have the email. It is my proof that you do not know what you are talking about. Neither does your friend Glen S who does not know the whole story of why we disagreed in the first place. He thinks he does and has acted on what he thinks he knows and you know that he knows nothing yet you say nothing to him. It seems to be okay for others to defend you but you hate it when someone defends me.

            You want me destroyed. Dream on atheist. Even thought you are not bound by any moral compass and thus not expected to be accountable to him or anyone, people around you can discern what you are doing. You allow his lashing out at me and you talk about what I have done to you without regard to the truth.

            Of course you must see to it that you not be exposed as your delicate balance is in jeopardy and you cannot divulge what you stand for in these situations. It begs the question of your sincerity. I recall you treated Ted Slater with respect like you are owing to him, while you insult without consideration in your regular method towards others. At the same time you went overboard to falsely “respect” Ted to get your way, you would tell us anything your filthy mind could conjure up. You are not the mind of an American political. religious, scientific analyst by a long shot. You see, we both know that answer to that one rhetorical question. You make demands and they must be met or you try to destroy people in your quest to be known as the know it all. You have denied it but you do not even know that what you do does result in destruction. That is the short story of where we are.

            Since you do not like that someone can see through you, you have endeavored to diminish others also to draw attention to me and others away from yourself, as your posts show. But you know that the truth about us, you and I, it is what’s behind your anger to the gentleman who is Lt. Col. RonMar. You must stop the charade. It does not look good for anyone what you are inciting by your acidic posts.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Then just show the e-mail. It is a very simple way to try and show you are speaking the truth. Just show the e-mail. I expect you to show the date of the e-mail, btw. I doubt you will. You will make up another cock and bull story why you can’t. But the reason you can’t is because it does not exist. But prove me wrong. Show the e-mail.

          • Esther

            LOL. Oh, please ask the man you trust, Ted Slater. His original will be more pristine actually because he received it and it is dated and delivered. Go ahead now Jeffie, ask him. Be good.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            It is really simple. Just show the e-mail. E-mails are not more pristine before being sent. Just show it. It is very simple. There is only one reason you won’t show it. It does not exist.

          • Esther

            go to your trusted source

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I have no trusted source. But I would expect you could simply show the e-mails.

          • Esther

            LOL atheist. You have “no trusted source” Once again you are caught lying. Here is some of your screwed up evidence to convince yourself of your goodness:

            Jeff Dixon replied to you
            Hmm, let’s see. Who should I believe? Esther or Ted? Now, Esther lies on a regular basis and has lied specifically about me. Ted has never lied about anything that I am aware of.
            There is no contest.
            Ted Slater •
            Yup. Esther and RonMar are no longer welcome to participate on Zionica. I’ve banned them both.
            07/05/13 05:54 PM 300 BOY SCOUT FAMILIES LOSE SPONSOR, KENTUCKY MEGA-CHURCH BACKS OUT OF BOY SCOUT PROGRAM IN RESPONSE TO GAY TROOP CONTROVERSY

            accessed 070813

          • Esther

            This is what I responded to this a.m.

          • RonMar

            Another of your way off topic, ad hominem attacking with intent to defame posts.
            Just show the e-mail, just show the e-mail, just show the e-mail, show the e-mails. – What a whiny, begging, repetitively posting little baby you act like. What you “would expect” vs. what you get, even you should know are two very different things.

            The worst of it is you confirm again your really, really bad habit of asking for things online that you have no right to have, good reason to have, are not going to get, and your asking is violation of posting guidelines, general Internet rules, common decency and a criminal law violation.
            Obviously you are incapable of learning from your mistakes.

            FYI, e-mails are a private matter between the sender and the sender’s addressees. You were not an addressee on her e-mails or mine with regard to the Ted Slater, Zionica fiasco.
            It is well past time that you shut your mouth about it.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You really should look up Ad Hominem. You truly have no idea what that means.
            Ronnie, you really do not get it. You cannot shut me up not will I ever take any advice from you on the matter. I have a constitutional right to express my opinion. You have no control over that. You can state as many times as you like that I have made criminal law violations, but your assertions are meaningless. I have not violated any laws. You make the same baseless assertions against many other posters and they all have the same zero basis in fact.
            E-mails are between two people, but that does not preclude one from releasing the information contained in them. You could easily show these e-mails which would support your assertion, but you will not. Because they do not exist. There would be no reason to send Ted an e-mail asking that you be blocked. If you did not want to be post anymore, the solution would be simple; stop posting. You sound like an addict begging for help. “Please do not allow me to post anymore, I cannot control myself”.
            What is really sad is I suspect you actually believe the nonsense you post. But it does offer wonderful comedic value, so please keep it up.

          • Esther

            Yes, they exist. Ask your trusted people from Zionica such as your buddy Ted Slater or one of the other moderators … what’s the matter, won’t they do your bidding? But you persist in asking people you don’t trust…RonMar and I… whom you wish to delete as soon as possible.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Of course they do not exist. Which is why you refuse to show them. It is not irony, it is just reality. Which makes it even more humorous.

          • Esther

            So your friends won’t do your bidding… in other words.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I already showed the post from Ted. I have no need to ask him for anything else. You are the one who needs to show the e-mail that proves your assertion. Which we all know does not exist. But continue to try and pass the buck. We all know why you won’t show it. It is impossible to show something that does not exist. Kind of like your mythical god.

          • Esther

            My God exists. He keeps you very busy.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, I spend no time dealing with any gods. I spend time dealing with the people who foolishly say they believe in these gods.

          • Esther

            You flatter God by spending so much time on Him. You notice Him all the time. I am sure He blesses you. If you want to continue to not believe you have to be very cautious, which I notice you are.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You obviously do not notice much. I state very clearly that I do not believe in any gods.

          • Esther

            I notice that you are enthralled with issues that involve Him.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, I chat with Christians. Have not had any conversations with any mythical deities.

          • Esther

            You could not do without your daily dose of Christians whose companionship involve Him. When you “chat” with Christians, you are encountering Him!

          • RonMar

            Yet you cite God’s Holy Word often. I have an idea for you: Grow a brain, grow up, get real and stop making such an abject fool of yourself on a worldwide-available, public site. You are making all atheists look as bad as you do, just as stupid as you so obviously are in your posts.

          • Esther

            Ted did not show you the email he received from me nor did he act on it. Some friendship. It’s built on a lie, just as you lied about being a conservative while supporting people who supported infanticide and the lies of Benghazi before the presidential election.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Then you show the e-mail. It is very simple. You do not need to rely on Ted to do anything. You can prove yourself to be correct with one easy action. As far as the rest of your nonsense, we have covered this dozens of times. It is boring and tiring. But if it makes you happy to lie, knock yourself out.

          • Esther

            i owe you nothing.

          • RonMar

            You know no such thing about the e-mails; you only imagine, falsely assume that you do.
            It is way wrong for you even to ask to see the e-mails, any e-mails by anyone addressed to others and not to you. Being way wrong is a perpetual habit of yours so far.

          • RonMar

            Tell me please, Jeffie, when is the last time you saw Slater post any thing, any where about any topic??? Do you have any idea how to find out when he last posted any thing, any where about any topic? If not you prove once again you lack the intellect and skills to be involved with adults in online or any other kind of conversation.

          • RonMar

            There are limits on the God-given, affirmed in the US Constitution right to free speech.
            I did not send Slater an e-mail asking that I “be blocked.” In my e-mail to Slater I told him I was no longer interested in posting on Zionica and was not going to do so, well before he lied online that he had blocked me.
            “What is really sad is … you actually believe the nonsense you
            post,” that you have the truth and facts straight on anything about which you post, are not hopelessly and helplessly confused about who said what to Slater in e-mails.
            “But it does offer wonderful comedic value, so please keep it up,” although it will not serve you well when you stand before the judge or the Judge.

          • Esther

            I don’t make up cock and bull stories. That is your function on the round Earth as a commissioned atheist for your gods Darwin and Dawkins.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Then just show the e-mail.

          • RonMar

            I have never lied about you, but you have lied about me and to me, again AYOR. Obviously you don’t get it yet. Calling me a liar is defamation of character. Your tough talk is threats against me. I am duty bound to protect myself from people like you by all legal means available to me.

          • RonMar

            FYI, none of the Slater, Zionica, Liberty Alliance matter is “funny.”

            You assert Esther and I have lied about you. Please prove it by copying, pasting and posting or posting details of the lies you claim Esther and I have told about you anywhere, any time on the present site, Zionica, or for that matter any site.
            The BSA floated a trial balloon. They were told by individuals and groups that they would be hurt financially at least, if they admitted open homosexuals engaging routinely in perverted sex acts. The Kentucky church and others have proven what they asserted. You, please, do the same with regard to the lying.
            Also, FYI, as usual you are wrong, in this instance again because you are ignorant of the full information in the case of Slater not being honest in his post. You are not privy to the private e-mails between Slater and me, and more communications by me to the Liberty Alliance executives or between Slater and Esther.

            You are not likely ever to see those e-mails, thus you inevitably remain ignorant on the issue.

          • RonMar

            “The admin” is quite a promotion for Slater who actually posted that he was brought into Zionica to solve a problem of animosity. The animosity was hateful attacks by atheists and other unbelievers in God against Christians and Christianity.
            Slater did such a “great” job for his unnamed supervisor that Zionica is on its death bed as far as a site with enough posters for serious, money-minded advertisers and Liberty Alliance/Zionica top executive(s) to be pleased with the site and Slater “admin” work.
            One would think a finance guru like the atheist might understand the $$ angle and bottom line. It is hard to tell if the atheist does since the atheist is so obsessed with attacking Christians and Christianity, so much so that the atheist rarely posts on topic, e.g., the “BOY SCOUTS FAMILIES LOSE SPONSOR ….” and the atheist has in fact obviously abandoned Zionica and Slater.
            The atheist may be imitating GWB, saying, “Mission Accomplished” with regard to Slater and Zionica – both possibly in rather serious trouble as seen by the Liberty Alliance/Zionica executive(s).

          • RonMar

            What you posted from Slater is a lie, and you are unquestionably spreading it AYOR.

          • RonMar

            You are spreading a lie in yet another of your off topic, ad hominem attacks on a Christian and Christianity. You do not even believe in God. So past that what you believe and don’t believe does not matter one iota.

            You, like your new not at all secret admirer Glen Stevens have no idea idea what is going on off these threads between me, Slater and his boss(es). Again your ignorance overwhelms you as it has in the on topic posts you have made, rarely, about the “300 BOY SCOUT FAMILIES LOSE ….”

            I am a bit surprised because you ought to be able to relate to anything that involves losing, especially financially.

          • Glen S

            Please don’t let the door hit you in the rear!

          • RonMar

            You are spreading a lie. Esther and I voluntarily and wisely stopped posting on Zionica which I never saw as much of a Christian site if at all. As a matter of fact I am giving some serious thought to stopping posting here unless this site can get you and a few others here under control or ban you.
            This never-ending, childish bickering off topic and attacks on other posters that you initiate is not real productive. Also the language that you use here and other places where you are allowed to post is as disgusting as your other obnoxious, criminal and civil law violations.
            As a matter of fact all of your behaviors attacking Christians and Christianity are obnoxious and so wrong.
            In view of the 1st Amdt to the US Constitution-guaranteed freedom of religion you are free to be an atheist, as we are free to be Christians. I have witnessed Jesus as the Christ to you, I know. You have rejected Him, and you are welcome to have done so and to continue doing so AYOR. I leave you alone forevermore on that, as you should not be attacking our faith beliefs.
            Your new buddies petroskan and Glen Stevens apparently do not understand any of that or how they have joined with you in your obnoxious behaviors and persistent sin against the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ. All that is also true of Ted Slater, and his behaviors on behalf of Liberty Alliance and in particular Zionica.

          • RonMar

            So Joey is a friend of yours and you know where Joey has and has not been. You are brilliant, I tell you, brilliant – in the British sense of the word.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You must really enjoy being shown as an idiot.

          • RonMar

            I refer you to my post about IQ ranges, mental retardation measures and your childish behaviors here and on other sites.

          • Esther

            His source of information must be impeccable, sir. He believes Ted Slater.

          • RonMar

            How about you show yourself to the door and don’t let it hit you in your receptive buttocks on the way out of here?

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Why do you continue to make comments about buttocks? Are you really that gay? Your comments about your “pet” should have been enough to shut u up. I guess you need more prodding. Well, I shall be happy to provide them. You have pissed me off. Congrats.

          • Esther

            Lt. Colonel RonMar’s “Pet” is Petroskhan. Peotroskhan has often used shortcuts in his addresses to others including me. He has called the Lt. Col, “dearie.” Did you reprimand him for that, Jeffie? Wanna know what he has called me? Are you defending your Petroskhan while continuing to demean the Lt. Colonel? You have often called people by their shortened screen name. Big deal, atheist. Stop with your being so petty, already!

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I will defend Petro over you two loons everyday of the week. I may not agree with him on much, but he is civil and capable of having a civil conversation. Something you are incapable of.

          • Esther

            So? What’s new? LOL.

          • RonMar

            His user name is petroskhan, and there you go with your childish name calling again. You are not one capable of judging civil vs. uncivil behaviors.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Yes, that is his user name. And yet you call him your pet, which he has taken exception to several times. If he has a problem with my calling him Petro, he is more than capable of telling me himself.

          • RonMar

            Yes, and you call me Ronnie, so I call you Jeffie and even when you use your Thomas Jefferson name, Jeff.

            I don’t believe petroskham is capable of much or you either. Both of you prove you are not capable, are even unfit to engage in adult conversation as I have told you, explained to you many times and given you many examples of why you are not – examples all from your posts, often using your own ridiculous words, off topic, ad hominem attacks on Christians and Christianity, threats in suggestive, perverted language, and your commission of criminal and civil law violations.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Yes, I know you suck up to Ronnie. I could not care less

          • RonMar

            She does not “suck up to” me, but it enrages you since you imagine she does. You know as well as I do when you turned on her and started attacking her. That is evidence in your computer that you will have a most difficult time hiding if it can be hidden at all.

          • Esther

            I know you don’t care. You don’t care about a lot of things among them anything good. You despise all the things that patriotic Americans hold dear yet you say you are conservative.

          • RonMar

            Because I know you are fascinated with them, like when you post “rotflmao,” which would take you a long time, then there would be nothing left of you.
            You can’t shut me up, no matter how much “prodding” you try.

            Oh, poor baby is upset. Congratulations to you wittle Jeffie. I suppose it has not sunk in with you yet how much you have vexed me and others, and what is coming your way as a result of your obnoxious behaviors.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I am not trying to shut you up. I want you to express your stupidity for all to read.

          • RonMar

            You are projecting again and still – two sure signs of insanity. Try to read your post above about more “prodding” to shut me up.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Ronnie, I am calling you out. I am tired of your crap. Bring on your lawsuit. I will enjoy bankrupting you. From now on, you can expect me to be a mole on you. You wanted a war? You have one. When you post, I will respond. I will show you have no idea what you are talking about. Congrats, you pissed off the wrong person.

          • Esther

            No, he exposed a person who wants to weaken our country.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I was not talking to you. Are you hiding the coward, Ronnie?

          • RonMar

            She’s talking to you, and I am no coward as is obvious. I am right here responding to your insane behaviors.

          • Esther

            Obviously Lt. Col.RonMar is no coward as he recognizes and challenges Satan, on a daily basis when he speaks to you.

          • RonMar

            What a welcome post from you. You have no idea the damage your post causes you.

            Try to be patient. These things take time.

            Regardless of what you imagine, you are nothing on me or any other poster here, and your saying you are is proof of your low mental functioning.

            No I did not want war. You and your kind have been waging war on Christians and Christianity for many centuries by now. It is known as the Culture War, a war you evil will lose since good always prevails over evil in the end.

            Your threat is duly noted. You are so upset you cannot control your emotions or language here. You would be far better off if you tried to calm down and at least put up an appearance of being sane and rational.

            I have a good idea what prompted you to this new low for you as a poster on these forums, and I intend to pursue that idea to prove it correct or incorrect.

          • Esther

            His intel is above reproach. He believes Ted Slater. (sarcasm)

          • Glen S

            And you believe the likes of Ronald Marlar, a lying 72ish year old man with nothing better to do than write angry letters to the White House.

            Or msamericanpatriot, who believes she is the “daughter incarnate” of an archangel.

          • Esther

            I did not know that about MsAmericanPatriot. How sweet!

            With regard to Lt. Col. RonMar, you have not read his posts where he has been comprehensive (unlike you are your other comrades) about his ministry, military, and education activities.He has never retired in the fullest sense of that calling. I find it commendable that upon the final stages of his military career he earned his second grad degree in seminary … his first was in counseling psychology.

            Also,
            “Age is just a number” ~ Dara Torres

          • RonMar

            Glen Stevens, the only thing you got right there in your way off topic, ad hominem attacking post is my name, not my user name. I do not lie, you do. I am not “72ish.” I am not even 72, and certainly not an “old man” by any stretch of your fevered imagination.
            I have plenty to do as:
            1. an ordained minister in my three ministry areas,
            2. participation in worship of the Lord every day and at church several days a week,
            3. tending to my mansion, grounds and citrus grove here with five different citrus fruits coming from the many trees,
            4. taking care of my aged dog,
            5. guest speaking, preaching,
            6. leading Bible studies and prayer meetings,
            7. exercising several days a week,
            8. serving as a consultant to a government entity resisting takeover by corrupt land developers and politicians,
            9. playing individual and team sports several times a week,
            10. writing professionally for publication and
            11. finishing three books on diverse topics with three more well beyond outline stage,
            12. traveling US and worldwide as invited in one case more than once a year by a major international university, and also by a Bible College in the Middle East.
            I have never written an angry letter to the White House or any other Federal, State or local government office or official, although I do correspond with several elected and employed officials frequently, attend meetings with them, and visit their offices to discuss programs, plans and policies with them.
            I don’t know where you get your crazy notions, but I do know they are wrong and crazy too.
            Oh yes, I almost forgot to mention I spend much time keeping up with world events from trusted, reliable sources via media – most often foreign media in several languages – International phone calls and via Skype on a regular basis with people – my friends and acquaintances, some enemies as they and I agree we are – who live where the news is happening worldwide.
            Now tell me please how do you spend your hurt, angry, miserable life other than attacking me and other Christians, certain denominations and cozying up to others like you, atheists, other godless and a variety of lowlife, nefarious characters?

          • Esther

            Why haven’t you written a letter to the WH? Don’t you think they need one? How about one on the current topic right here on libertynews.com about the imminent dilemma of the traditional boy scouts of America? Thank you for your attention to these problems, sir.

          • Glen S

            All you need do is Google Ronald Marlar. You will find out all you need to know about your fake hero.

          • RonMar

            You’re going to get to eat this later. Enjoy.

          • Glen S

            Give it your best shot! Again, otherwise shut up!

          • RonMar

            “The WH” is as deaf, blind and dumb as the posters here that we know so well are deaf, blind and dumb.

          • Esther

            Oh!

          • RonMar

            Oh, yeah.

      • DurkaDurka

        Don’t let per capita get in the way of flawed logic. I tell you what, you and liberals, have this innate ability to not see 2 steps ahead.

        So, tell me Joe, do more Chinese people eat rice in China then White people? Are there more Whites in prison than Blacks?

        Do you know why your answer is yes to both? Because you don’t understand math. There are a population of 13% Blacks making up 40% of the prison population. It’s called “per capita” Joe. Factor that in next time. High risk is calculated as such. See your car insurance for more details.

        • Joel A. Ohmer

          Durka Durka, (nice) … read my name, it’s JOEL. The fact that you repeatedly mistyped it tells me a lot about your attention span.

          … and on your stupid PS, read up on it. Men abusing young boys does not equate homosexuality. i may not “understand math,” but you obviously have no clue about pedophilia. i pray you don’t have to do as much research on it as my family has.

          • RonMar

            Jo-el, your avatar tells me more than enough about you :). It is hilarious and so are you.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, it did not tell you anything. You merely made up a stupid post, which is what you normally do. Do you have anything intelligent to actually offer?

          • Esther

            I love what this mega church did to refuse to be a part of adding in gays to their boys outings. I think Lt. Colonel RonMar would agree. What do you think atheist?

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I think that you and ronnieboy are loons.

          • Esther

            You are the one supporting mega church Glen S. Lol. Caught ya.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I do not support Glen. You are a moron.

          • RonMar

            Yes, you most certainly do, and he supports you. You two are a mutual admiration society, and that is evident to everyone here but you two. You really need to try to get a grip on reality. Seek professional help in your local area.
            Esther is not by any stretch a moron – IQ range of 50-69 or in more up to date terms in the fields of psychology and IQ assessment “mild” mental deficiency or retardation. With your childish name calling you are behaving like an idiot – IQ below 20, one with a mental deficiency, retardation described as “profound.” http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqbasics.aspx

          • Esther

            Yep. You do. And you can not trust your friends like Ted Slater to keep you in the loop.

          • RonMar

            1. You don’t think, certainly not straight, in any logical, rational way. 2. You emote rather than think. 3. Neither Esther nor I are loons, but you are and demonstrably so by your ridiculous, petulant childlike posts on these forums.
            Wake up, Jeff, open your eyes and what little brain you have. Look at how poorly you fare on these forums with other posters here. The only ones who even come close to agreeing with you are mentally unfit, troubled people like you.
            You claim to like science, truth, facts, so look at the preponderance of the evidence against you. It is not rational to reach false conclusions consistently as you do, and to behave as you do. As a matter of fact your behaviors are violations of US criminal and civil law.

          • msamericanpatriot

            Hey Ron would you agree that Bodey, Jeff and Glenn have some kind of bromance there. They sure do seem to love each other.

          • RonMar

            Oh yeah, and petroskham plus the Joel character too.

          • RonMar

            “Anything intelligent to offer?” There is no need to try pretending any longer that you are intelligent. You blew your cover on that months ago. You are living your entire life on false assumptions. You have no way of knowing what his avatar told me, and you are wrong that my post is stupid or made up. Remember, your ridiculous opinions do not matter one iota to me and obviously not much to many other people on these forums.

      • Robert Darrell Jernigan

        Then you don’t know many or much about Child molesters! most male pedophiles are only interested in little boys! only 40 % of male pedophiles are interested in Little Girls and even then they are classified as rapist.The fact you even posted that tells us your all for the gay thing.

        • Joel A. Ohmer

          Robert, ASSume all you want, bro. I’m a Libertarian Conservative whose family was touched by pedophilia, and that bastard didn’t care if his victims were male or female. Read a book, learn something about the crime of child sexual molestation, i’ve studied it extensively due to our family’s pain. I’ll thank you to not try to put me in your narrow little stereotypical box.

          • RonMar

            Your being a self-confessed Libertarian, Ron Paul nutcase explains a lot about you; all and even more than I need or want to know about you. You are a danger to yourself and others like Britney Spears, Lindsay Lushan and the other recent Gollywood gals, and to be treated as they were but not released too early back into society, actually never.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            OMG, a self-confessed Libertarian? Where is the Inquisition when it is really needed?

          • Esther

            Like for Galileo? You like the Inquisition, don’t you atheist, no surprise there. You support the 99% prevailing opinion to disparage true science in the case of Darwin, your god of evolution, while in the case of Galileo the 99% overturned and imprisoned him. What next? You might make a good president of the flat earth society, at that rate you are progressing.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            There was not one coherent statement in that entire rant. Not one.

          • RonMar

            Like your posts.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You have no idea what ad hominine means. Why pretend?

          • RonMar

            It is certain you have no idea what ad hominem means since you can’t even spell it. LOL.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            The admins consider your comments to be threats.

            Ted Slater •

            Ron, you need to knock it off with the personal threats. That is absolutely not cool.

          • RonMar

            LOL. You cite that proven liar from another site entirely. How pathetic of you, as usual, and till off topic and ad hominem attacking a Christian again. Rich, really rich, how you are so mired in the muck of your filthy behaviors.

          • Glen S

            “Proven?” Are you actually asking this site to take your word on that? Just yesterday you listed a set of lies about yourself which can be, if you wish, documented to be so; and you dare call the moderator and developer of multiple sites a “proven liar.”

            Either post the emails you claim to have or shut up!

          • RonMar

            You put up or shut up lad. You have no right to the e-mails between me and anyone else other than you. It is even a great violation for you to ask for them.

          • Glen S

            You are the fool who continues to maintain that the online post of the moderator of a site is a lie. You also claim that you have the emails to demonstrate this, so it is your responsibility to demonstrate the truth of your absurd claim.

          • RonMar

            Apparently you are not capable of posting on topic, not making ad hominem attacks, not name calling childishly.
            All of your posts reflect a person who claims to be a Christian but does not even behave like a responsible adult, let alone like a Christian.
            I have the e-mails. They are private between me and those I addressed in the e-mails. They are more extensive than you will ever know from me because I have no intention of ever posting them here, and they are none of your nosey-parker business, young ‘un.
            You are best advised to shut up about the entire issue that involved another site, not this one, and not you for that matter.
            You might be bright enough to get some clues by checking the last time Slater posted on the other site, and the change in the character and nature of his posts more recently.
            I do not lie, you do habitually, persistently, like a psychopath, and if you were a Christian you would know that lying is a sin, a sin against one of the 10 Commandments (Exo. 20:16, 23:1, Mal. 3:5, Mat 18:8, Luk 18:2 and Rom 13:9).
            You and your fellow questionable Christian, petroskham, demand Scripture cites. So you have them.
            Pay particular attention to Exo. 23:1 since you and the atheist you have joined with and bragged about your relationship with him – Jeff Dixon aka Thomas Jefferson – are the only ones still beating the dead horse of the other site and what happened there.
            I encourage you again, and for the last time, to take this collection of posts since we first started exchanging posts, to your “beloved pastor” one of your beloveds staff who is competent and trusted by you and get help from them in dealing with:
            - your hurt and anger from your tragic loss,
            - lashing out at others in your anger,
            - your other sins including bearing false witness,
            - your attacks like an Islamic jihadist on women, and
            - your attacks on Christians, Christianity, and certain Jesus-based denominations you have selected to attack.
            Study these two posts of yours that make you look quite foolish along with your posts to other people about me. It is clear who is making the ad hominem attacks and trying to defame the others character:
            - Glen S Esther • 9 days ago All you need do is Google Ronald Marlar. You will find out all you need to know about your fake hero.
            - Glen S Appledude • 4 days ago … Ronald is a pariah … beware, his behavior … ventures into … stalking as he is actively seeking real world information about anyone who takes issue with his posting behavior.
            You Googled me Gleeeeenie. I have not Googled or searched for info on you in anyway. All I know about you is from your posts, your Facebook that you unlinked from your Disqus profile quickly going into hiding in your sin guilt, and your interactions with other posters on the forum sites.
            The more of your posts that I see the more I am convinced you are quite mentally deranged and desperately in need of psychiatric evaluation and care. I have your interests in my heart, mind and prayers for you and your remaining family.

          • Glen S

            Apparently, you just aren’t capable of shutting up!

          • RonMar

            Off topic, of course, rude and unchristian. Some one should have taught you not to talk to your superiors like that, and it’s never too late for training you to begin.

          • Glen S

            Did someone from my company hire you? I did not think so! In that case I don’t owe you any form of respect which you have not earned from me. As has been told to you many times in the past, you must be willing to give that which you wish to receive. Since you are a jerk and have been a jerk from your very first post, I refuse to treat you with any of the respect which you might have received otherwise.

            So again, shut up!

          • RonMar

            YGTBSM-S=Spoofing. “Someone from [your] company hire [me]?” What are you babbling about, lad? It sounds like you have made another false assumption – those and lies you tell yourself first to guide your miserable life. That is hilarious. I wouldn’t work in anything in which you are involved let alone your rinky-dink company.
            Also your “respect” is not anything that interests me in the least as I have told you many times before – your opinions mean less than nothing to me.
            “Shut up!” – How rude, unchristian and childish of you. Your “beloved pastor” is going to love all of this horrid behavior from you when he sees it.

          • Esther

            It is completely coherent but coming from the point of view of an atheist of course I understand entirely your comment and your point of view.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Congrats , I am now going to be a mole inside your every post. You wanted attention, you now have it.

          • RonMar

            You made a similar post to me only slightly different revealing your homosexual nature in your thinly-veiled threat. The attention-seeker here is you, and you are on the way to getting lots of it from several different sources. Enjoy it.
            Also never forget projection is a sure sign of insanity.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Your comments about your “pet” show just how gay you are. Not my problem.

          • RonMar

            “Gay?” You reveal your preference for homosexual perverts by using that word. WTG, oh brilliant one, brilliant in the British sense of the word.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Your overuse and misuse of the word projection is humorous.

          • RonMar

            I only use it when you or one of the other insane try to project your attitudes, traits and behaviors onto someone else posting here. So yes I have to use it a lot but have never misused it.

          • RonMar

            Apparently you didn’t read much that I posted there, like the “danger to yourself and others ….” I understand you don’t want to see that because it fits you so well.

      • ditchrunner

        You are correct, but considering the % of Homosexuals in the population vs straight they are about the same. If the scouts wanted to do this they should have made up another Org. for them.

        • RonMar

          What? The percentage of homosexuals in our society is a single digit number. The BSA nor any other organization has any obligation to create groups for homosexuals.

          • ditchrunner

            Sir: My statement about the gay boys was that they should make up an Org. for themselves and leave the boy scouts alone. The question I commented on was the number of child molesters in both straight and gay people populations; the gays say that there are fewer molesters in their ranks than in the straight lifestyle which is not true on a % basis. I totally agree with you that no Org. owes anyone anything, it is a matter of freedom of the individuals choice and the rules of the Org.

          • RonMar

            Your clarification helps explain this statement that you made, “If the scouts wanted to do this they should have made up another Org. for them. Now I am in full agreement with you.

      • Rod Bedard

        That is not the point. The BSA should be able to be itself as it was. I am tired of gays trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us. Let them start the gay scouts and keep straights out. Problem solved.

      • Guest

        Do you know a lot of child molesters? Why is that?

        • RonMar

          All of us here now know of you.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You know nothing.

          • RonMar

            You’re projecting again.

      • Heidi

        That is just stupid!! There are a tom of homosexual child molesters and a ton of heterosexual ones. I know both – just look in the prison system. The problem is that one day they will declare that child molesting in in the genes and people are born with so it is okay. That is the far larger problem. Girl Scouts doesn’t even get into the issue. I think that if you don’t want your kid under a homosexual leader change troops.

      • RonMar

        In addition to your many other problems and disabilities English must be a second language for you – “Homosexuality doesn’t equate sexual depravity.” Or maybe it’s just your lisp when you speak has transferred to your sloppy writing.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          And the law is confusing to you. Sucks when you cannot grasp a basic issue, right?
          BTW, I have decided to stop being nice. I am going to be a mole inside you. Congrats.

          • RonMar

            No, the law does not confuse me at all, but it does you, even rules and guidelines befuddle you.
            I noticed you have formalized your stalking by opting for the Follow on Disqus. Welcome. You might actually learn some things in your obsession with me and another poster or a few that you follow and harass, almost always off topic, ad hominem attacking and trying to defame character.
            In fact the only character you defame is yours and horribly so, but you don’t understand that either.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Obviously it does since you do not understand the law.
            I have not formalized anything. You decided to follow me. I have never followed you. It is very simply to anyone who is not brain dead.

          • RonMar

            Jeff, please, Disqus sends notices to people when you opt to follow them. Who is following you also shows on your Disqus Dashboard. There is no rational reason for you to lie about such an obvious and simple thing.

          • RonMar

            You most certainly did select the Follow option on Disqus to follow me, but you have since selected the Unfollow option. Your fear of learning, knowledge, understanding and becoming a better person must have overwhelmed you again. You sure are in Satan’s tight grip and dancing, yammering like a helpless puppet as the Evil One pulls your strings.

      • Esther

        LOL, Joel, you called it sexual depravity. I call it sexual attraction to the same sex. Go thither , make your “rainbow” “gay” “sodomites” scouts in your own club and you would never hear peep from me. I don’t want to hear about anything you do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1593045380 Tea Partier

    The BSA was given notice… they went ahead anyway and the church pulled out as promised. political correctness working it ruinous magic once again.

  • chaloner

    Next those idiots will get rid of GOD out of the Boy Scouts Oath. It is now an Atheist Boy Scouts of America!

    • RonMar

      God had been removed from the Democrat Part platform, also Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but they were restored in a so obviously-rigged, voice vote overseen by the LA Mayor over the majority of the delegates. The Dem Libs and their little boy god leader Obama are the problem here encouraging the homosexuals and BSA leadership.

      • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

        So, you are of the opinion that gays are unworthy of being helped? That is your opinion as a Christian minister? Is Jesus really that limited?

        • RonMar

          Read my post or get someone who can read with comprehension and without your knee-jerk to attack Christians and Christianity, bias and prejudice.

          My opinion is exactly the opposite of what you imagine and posted as questions, attacking me as a Christian, Christianity and blaspheming Jesus the Christ.
          I know homosexual can be helped, have helped many in recovering from their hurt, anger and other circumstances that got them involved in perverted homosexual behaviors. There is an Episcopal Bishop in Jacksonville, FL, a former homosexual, male prostitute in Hollywood who has been ministering to homosexuals, helping them work through their problems and recovery from engaging in their perverted behaviors.

          He is highly successful in his work and has been so for some decades now. I recommend you contact him and seek help from him to correct your misunderstandings, hurt, anger and hate against Christians and Christianity, your unbelief in God.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You do not have any real compassion for them. You consider them evil. Why lie?

          • Esther

            True followers of Christ emulate Christ’s compassion for everyone, even for atheists like yourself. Do you really read the Colonel’s posts. I see just the opposite of what you see in his post.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I sadly read them far too often. He considers gays to be perverts. That is hardly a viewpoint of compassion.

            Besides, Jesus did not actually preach compassion. Do you not know of the story of the Canaanite woman? First, Jesus ignores the Canaanite woman’s plea for mercy for her daughter. He responds to her by saying, in effect, that her needs are not any concern of his. When she persists, he insults her with a derogatory term that displays ancient hostilities toward one of Israel’s ancient enemies. He likens this woman, her daughter, her kind, to dogs begging for scraps from the table. It is only after she begs that he helps her. Where exactly is the compassion? Should everyone have to beg to be able to get help?

          • Esther

            It has taken a lot or your compassionless bashing to have me finally come to realize that nothing you say about what is in the bible emotes from a real comprehension.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            It finally sunk in after a year that I consider you a loon? Congrats on being so obtuse.

          • Esther

            Why not try just once to respond to the point for heaven sake. It is really boring to see the same bs from you all the time.

          • RonMar

            LOL. That sure is calling a broken record by its name.

          • Esther

            Oh yes. And stay away from the boy scouts where ever they are.

          • Esther
          • RonMar

            You are trying to project your traits and behaviors onto another again – two sure signs of insanity.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You should look up insanity, as well as projecting and Ad Hominem. You really need a remedial English class.

          • RonMar

            I do not consider homosexuals “to be perverts.” I have never said that, but you just did. I have said what the Bible says about their behaviors which are perverted when done in same sex activities.
            You have no clue what Jesus was saying or doing in the case of the Canaanite woman. Clearly you do not understand the Bible at all as you prove time and again by your posts.
            Jesus, in fact, praised the Canaanite woman for her “great faith.” You left out that part, no doubt deliberately in your failed attempt to condemn the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ and Holy Spirit – the Holy Trinity – in which you do not even believe. How sad your mind is so weak you do not get what you are doing, saying, what little, weak mind you have is so closed, your ears deaf, eyes blind.
            I do not really believe you are as dumb as your posts on these sites show you to be, and I know Jesus loves you and will accept you if only you call on Him, confess your sins, repent and ask for forgiveness. Your life will be changed for the better. That is the promise.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            If you consider their behaviors to be perverted, you consider them to be perverts. Ronnie, your postings get more absurd everyday.

          • RonMar

            That you are a habitual, pathological liar does not mean anyone but you is a liar. I seriously doubt you are man enough to call me a liar to my face, but I know beyond doubt you are cowardly enough to do it on the Internet behaving like blowhard, troll as you do, seldom on topic, almost always engaging in ad hominem attacks because you have nothing to support your positions.
            Prove that I have ever said people engaging in homosexual behaviors are “evil.” Copy, paste and post here any quote from me saying that. You are the one who said it in your post, not me. That tends to show you consider them and yourself “evil.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/rose.ingram.39 Rose Ingram

    I can’t blame the church for sticking to their beliefs…Somebody in America had better start doing so…..

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      What part of your church doctrine states that gays are unworthy of being helped?

      • Esther

        Most churches do support hospitals to care for the sick. That aspect of churches should not be foreign to you, There are many passages in the bible about caring for the sick. They are sick, they must not given what the NAMBLA crowd demands, atheist.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          There are no atheist groups that support NAMBLA. Once again, you post nonsense. And there are many secular medical groups. It is not a Christian view, it is a humanist view.

          However, neither should hospitals give into what many Christian crowds demand. That people only accept prayer to heal sickness. You know, like the bible says:

          James 5:14-15 ESV
          Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

          James 5:15 ESV

          And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

          • Esther

            Please! It is disingenuous of you to quote biblical scripture. YOU are an atheist. If you want to demean anything Christian, please use your atheist doctrine to do so, so that I might rebuttal with an eye towards your basis of belief.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, it is simply a fact that the bible states nonsense. Which is why I am sure you say you love it.

          • Esther

            Stop pretending you know what I love. You think you know everything about people. You also do not know enough to interpret the Word of God. I cannot imagine why you will not converse like normal people curious about the infinite variety of the world and the universe. Everything you talk about is finite like you really believe science reveals everything. Just absurd. You have the most obtuse way of looking at the world. . How about just trying to respond to my post instead of responding to who you “think” I am… You might just learn something interesting you never knew before. You might even find your perception was not quite the reality. …. and that you never considered that perspective. Jusf try it once for heaven sake. I am a human being after all, so is Colonel RonMar.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You are right. I have no idea what you love. I simply know what you have told me. And that is enough to know you embrace nonsense.

          • Esther

            Why pretend you know if you have no ideas.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I know what you have told me. That is enough.

          • Esther

            You said you “have no idea.” IF you are a reasonable person as you have claimed, you have something to learn from Christians whom YOU engaged always nipping at their heels.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I have learned many things from Christians. I have learned that they are willing to lie, even though their lord frowns on that. I have learned that they are not concerned about science or facts. I have learned that when asked to support their views, they use the bible, which is one of the more humorous things they ever do.
            So, yes, I have learned much from Christians. Just not anything useful.

          • Esther

            LOL. What a load you carry, poor thing!

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Normal load. Work, kids, loons on the internet.

          • Esther

            Don’t forget to mention your “foreign religions” under your “work” category.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            That belongs under the loons on the internet category.

          • Esther

            You indite yourself.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            That would be indict, Ms. Ph.D

          • Esther

            So? I often make mistakes with my mini-keyboard. I never said that I am not human. You are pathetic to make fun of my fine education.

          • RonMar

            “Loons on the internet?” You are the looniest, at least in the top three of all that I have met in almost 30 years of meeting people like you on the Internet.

          • Esther

            If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!) ~ anon

            The latter is what you are, like it or not, confirm it or not, YOU ARE NOT A CONSERVATIVE by any stretch of the imagination or by any scientific measure.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I have never said I want any mention of god silenced. But please show my post stating that. Hmm, how odd, another assertion from Esther that has no basis in reality.

            BTW, why would a non-believer care whether the mention of god is a foreign religion or not? Non-believers do not believe in any gods. My goodness, everything you post is truly idiotic.

            Also, I would love to know how one measures a conservative, scientifically. Or a liberal for that matter, just to be fair.

          • Esther

            You hate it that anon has you pegged.

          • RonMar

            Some things that are so obvious do not have to be said or written. Esther’s post is a reality of you from her encounters with you.
            Please try to read, like “non-believer” and “God” with a capital “G” not lowercase. Billions on top of billions of unbelievers in God believe in god or gods.

            “My goodness” you are dense and “truly idiotic” since you chose to use those words. As daddy used to say about people like you, “You can’t think your way out of a wet paper bag.”
            Really? You really “would love to know how one measures a conservative, scientifically. Or a liberal for that matter ….”

            Okay, I’m going to teach you. Clear your head please.Try to focus. Concentrate. Let go of your hatred and animosity toward others long enough to learn this one thing, okay:
            - Scientific polling, opinion polls based on the sciences of math, specifically statistics, probability, tests and measurement.
            Sheesh! I taught 14-year-old, high school freshmen smarter, better able to learn, less bogged down by hostility than you are, even subbed some in middle school with 10-year-olds that knew more than you do as you show in your posts.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            How does one scientifically measure a trait like Conservative? Wouldn’t that depend on what behaviors the researcher thought to be Conservative? There are many people who call themselves Conservative, Ronnie, and many others who disagree with them that they are Conservative. To obtain a scientific result, it has to be testable and repeatable. You will never obtain that when you try to test for something that does not have a hard and fast definition.

            Science can answer many of our questions of truth but it fails when we try to scientifically measure human values or traits. It is one thing to say Conservative and Liberal are different, but for you to say we can scientifically determine who is a Conservative simply shows that you have left the domain of legitimate science and entered the smokey and dangerous illusions of pseudo-science. But that is not very surprising given your reliance on religion as well.

          • Esther

            LOL. Coming from the follower of the plagiarist Darwin and the follower of Dawkins who is the high priest of the church of atheism, Jeff Dixon, this is truly ludicrous. He does the exact same thing for which he is admonishing Lt. Col. RonMar.

          • Esther

            Yes, you do. And you have silenced many with your intimidating remarks and your alliances with people such as Ted Slater.

            You are a liberal… a Dem-Lib-Obamanic… a DLO!!! Look out Boy Scouts, Jeff Dixon with his church of atheism and all it accouterments is gearing up.

          • RonMar

            You haven’t learned much at all from anyone about anything using any source. If you had you would know the fate awaiting you for your constant attack on Christians, Christianity, women, etc. Even a man, Christian or not, would not do what you have done online and continue to do.
            Jeff, you have exposed too much online about yourself. It does you no good now trying to hide and lying about what you have revealed. You have made your own bed, messed in your own nest and now must forevermore lie and soil yourself in them. Your criminal and civil law violations, Internet foul ups are blatantly obvious.

          • RonMar

            Prove your first assertion. Prove that “a humanist view” based on postmodern philosophy espoused by one of its major proponents, Michele Foucault who rejected science, hated his parents and died alone from HIV/AIDS in a SF loft apartment, abandoned by his same sex lover is a valid view.
            Your lack of reading skills has crushed you again – “Most churches do support hospitals to care for the sick.” Not only is that true, but it is also true that an overwhelming number of hospitals are run and supported by Christian groups.
            Post for me please the #, names of hospitals run by atheist groups or individuals and supported by same from their own resources.
            In view of this – “There are many passages in the bible about caring for the sick” why did you post your ESV Bible reference and repeat part of it? You seem to be losing it, deteriorating rapidly.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Ronnie, you never prove your assertions, so you asking that someone else prove theirs is laughable.
            Once you prove you e-mailed Ted before he banned you and prove you actually have labs that claim to not be able to date a sharks tooth, we can move on to what you would like me to prove.
            BTW, just another little FYI. Ted has banned you. Even if you did send him your supposed e-mail, which I seriously doubt, it does not change the fact that he banned you. You claim not to be banned. You are wrong. You are banned. But prove me wrong. Post something on Zionica right now. If you are not banned, you could do that.

          • RonMar

            You have no right to private e-mails between other people. You will never see a picture of my shark tee. th – the great big one or any of the smaller ones, including a full shark jaws taken from the Mediterranean.
            You were told long ago you can research online the labs and get that answer for yourself. Rank beginners in archaeology know perfectly well that carbon dating is inadequate. They also know of many other, more reliable methods.

            Resolving your ignorance is not my responsibility. It is yours, and I suggest you get to work on it while you still have at least some mental ability to do so.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Ronnie, carbon dating is only good up to around 60,000 years. If you think that carbon dating is what I wanted to see, it is no wonder you are confused.
            But wait, that only makes sense if you are an old earth creationist. You never did answer whether you dismiss most of science or only some of it.
            So, how old do you think the earth is? That is not an e-mail question, so you should be able to answer it very easily.

          • Esther

            Who wants to overcome the effects of the flim flamary of Ted Slater?

      • RonMar

        Boringly repetitive, doing the same thing over and over again = insanity.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          What you consider boring is irrelevant.

          • Esther

            He is a Christian. How can you support evolution or gay pride or blanket abortion and all the other anti-Christian beliefs and treat Christians with as much respect as the lowest in the caste system? What business is it of yours that Christians do not want to be forced to know what others should be doing privately?

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Posting on a world wide web is not doing something privately. But I appreciate you continuing to show that you do not grasp basic ideas. Please keep it up.

          • Esther

            You need to work on your reading comprehension. Posting on the world wide web has little to do with what private citizens do not want to know about what “gheys” do privately.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Sure it does. Every time you post, it is public knowledge. What mail house college did you get your Ph.D at?

          • Esther

            LOL. Where did you learn English?

            My subject is eons beyond the scope of this forum. I would like to see your post on a real biological science site. Please post a few of your examples here, not just the posts where you admonish and intimidate, you know, “chat,” as you like to call it, with Christians like Key. Real posts from real science sites (NOT Scientific American magazine) would be evidence that you really know what scientists actually do, about which I doubt you have an interest or a knowledge.

            I think of you more as a dilettante.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Given how little knowledge you demonstrate about science, that is simply too funny.

          • Esther

            I expect little else from a dilettante.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            So, where did you get your degree?

          • Esther

            Already addressed, but of no interest to this public form. As I said, you are a cad for forcing this issue.

          • Esther

            After a year, still scared to answer my questions.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            No, just bored with your absurdity.

          • Esther

            No, just a scared little boy.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Right, which is why I use my actual name and you post under a fake name. LOTFLMAO.

          • Esther

            What’s must be funny is you LYAO God forgives you. It doesn’t matter if your name is “real” He knows your heart. ta ta, little boy.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            That is amusing since you are the only one between us that has lied about us.

          • Esther

            What is amusing is you do not tell us about your father. You lie by omission when you make up the story that it is you that concerns me. How is Dad? Let’s see if you will be a good person and tell me what I have asked you about time and time again in private, but you have resisted talking about in public. The short story is that he needs prayers. You don’t agree of course because you follow the cues of a foreign religion.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            My dad has not been a topic of conversation on here. However, he is the same. His leg is not better and the doctors say there is nothing they can do for him. But I will make you an offer. You start praying for him and if his leg miraculously heals, I will never post another thing about religion ever. In fact, get all the people you want to pray for him.

            After all, in John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:

            “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.”
            So, since you believe that prayer is what is needed, and Jesus himself said he would answer prayers, it should be a simple thing to accomplish, right?

          • Esther

            Yep. You referred to him on Hoodwinked… look it up.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            People are not going to do your work. If you have a point to make, (which is highly unlikely) then make it yourself. Asking someone to look up something says you are lazy or lying. Probably both in your case.

          • Esther

            You referred to your Dad. You should know what you said. If you deny it then you are lying. I don’t have to dig up your quote.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            You never show your references. Ever. If you really are in science, you should be commended for pulling off the biggest fraud in science.

          • Esther

            My science is of no interest to this forum without high level, in fact post-graduate mathematics. You are ill-informed if you think that science is solely for the consumption of dilettante like yourself, in fact, the vast majority of it is not for the untrained mind, as is yours. You force this issue, you are a cad.

          • Esther

            You are the loon, by the way. I was sent to give you a clue… you did not take… Dad doesn’t trust you either! Otherwise by now he would be cured by the expext whose name I gave you and whise assistant was advised of Dad and was ready to talk to you about procedure. YES, the Holy Spirit sent what Dad needed but fool as you are you never listened… and still don’t.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            So, would the expert cure my dad or prayer? You stated previously that prayer was needed. Are you really going to state that a medical expert stated they could cure my dad without even seeing him? Because if you are, you are even a bigger liar and loon than I thought was possible.

          • Esther

            No, she is an expert and sent you the phone number to talk to her assistant. I told you she has a record of success. I did not say that she could cure him sight unseen. I did tell you about her operating procedure.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Then what does prayer have to do with it? Please take an opinion and stick with it. BTW, just what is my fathers problem that your expert can help with?

          • Esther

            You know very well what you father’s problem is and you have the contact information for the doctor who has treated/cured the very malady. You have no influence on your father it seems enough to give a damn that he has every opportunity for help that is available at a very well known hospital which you should have made note of when I told you months ago. It is disingenuous of you to claim you don’t know to this public forum. Keep it up, you demonstrate your ridiculous lacking in humane protocol once again. Nothing seems to protect us against your constant whimpering, you poor thing. That goes for all the other posts you have made to me or about me. I hope you I never have to encounter your posts again. But I will continue to pray in the name of Jesus Christ for your redemption and you father’s freedom from your heinous treatment of him if it is anything like you treat Christian people on the internet while you likely encourage the growth of foreign powers versus this once great country.

          • RonMar

            Thomas Jefferson? I believe I told you that your LOTFLMAO will take you a long time, then there will be nothing left of you. Well, maybe a greasy spot on the floor, but any good cleaning solution can remove it.

  • Legirons

    This is an immoral attempt by the gay lobby to normalize a deviant behavior and to sexualize children. Anyone who has been in boy scouts can identify kids who they knew were going to turn out to be clothing designers or on broadway, the kid who does all the cooking for the other boys and who hangs tapestries in his tent. There have been gay kids in boy scouts for a very long time and it has not been an issue because sexuality has no business in scouting. These kids are learning leadership and outdoor skills and the issue of sexuality has no business even being brought up. How does an “openly” gay child “come out”? Gay is a sexual preference, a 12 year old scout has no business even concerning himself with that in scouting. You pathetic gay activists are no better than the child molester in a van offering kids candy. Pathetic sick bunch trying to get people to think their behavior is normal. It is not normal.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      No, it is a legal attempt

      • RonMar

        I do not see how you can even use the word “legal” given all of the illegal things you have done online and in other venues of your atheist, godless life.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          You obviously have no idea what the word legal means. You certainly do not understand projecting or Ad Hominem.

  • ditchrunner

    I think the Scouts should have had enough sense to know that any church that believes in the Bible would not support their decision. The Scouts Org. left them no other option.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      What part of Christianity states that gays are not worthy of help?

      • RonMar

        You are being boringly repetitive in your posts again, doing the same things over and over and expecting different results – another sure sign of insanity.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          Based on your repetitive comments, I would expect you think that is a good thing.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          I see that insanity needs to be added to the list of words and expressions you do not understand.

          • RonMar

            Please post the name of the university where you got your advanced degree in psychology or became a doctor of psychiatry. If you can’t or won’t do that it is clear you have no idea what you’re talking about as usual in your off topic, ad hominem attack, insane posts.

  • Kaehurowing

    Our church elders and men’s ministry will discuss tonight our cutting ties to BSA and how we do it.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Congrats on screwing over the kids you claimed you were helping. What part of your ministry stated that gays were not worthy of help?

      • RonMar

        Only atheist homosexuals and other lowlifes use the word “gays” to describe perverted same-sex behaviors.
        Oh, that second word needs a “s” to make it plural and a comma after it. Xin loi.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          No, many none gay people use the word gay. But you do not care about truth, do you?

      • Esther

        One incident of my children with someone who professes to be “gay” is one too many. People who express their sexual orientation are not looking for help, they are like you with your atheism where you seek kindred souls for your activities such as recruiting.
        .
        Btw, appealing to a Christian church for help does seems disingenuous of you Jeff, makes me wonder what you’re up to with such a reprimand.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          You have no ideas. Why lie?

  • Anonymous

    RIP BSA. You dug your own grave

  • Rachel

    Now that we know sexual assaults in the military is now mostly men on men….this does not bode well for the Boy Scouts. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/20/victims-of-sex-assaults-in-military-are-mostly-sil/

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Did you even read the article? It does not say that more men are assaulted. It states that more men had to be assaulted based on statistics. The actual data shows more women are assaulted. It assumes that men are not reporting being assaulted. As the saying goes, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

      “The Pentagon’s 1,400-page annual report came with two basic sets of data: official reports of sex crimes and a scientific survey sample of the 1.4 million active force from which the department extrapolated the number of abuses, regardless of whether they were officially reported.

      Data showed 2,949 reports of abuse against a service member last year compared with 1,275 in 2004. The vast majority of victims (88 percent) were female — a statistic that tells the Pentagon that male victims (12 percent) do not come forward at the same rate.”

  • georgev

    That’s great. Now what they have to do is start another organization bigger and better that the Boy scouts. That’ll drive the liberals crazy.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Yes, that one church will create something bigger than the worldwide boy scouts. rotflmao.

      • RonMar

        That laughing is going to take you quite awhile, then there will be nothing left of you.
        Among the multitude of things you do not know is about the Christian-based organizations similar to but better than the BSA in purposes, scope, membership, activities and more, e.g., the Seventh-Day Adventist Pathfinders that is worldwide in scope, with millions of members and God-oriented activities including camping, classroom training and more with sub-units down to and including children as young as 3-4 – years-old.
        Then there is also the 4H, FFA and other similar organizations, and some God-based BSA units are with members from the churches only.
        FYI, the BSA is not worldwide. That is so obvious, even you ought to be able to get that right. Facts and truth are foreign to you as you prove in your posts.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          No, I shall continue to be here.

          • RonMar

            Not if you lyao.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I see that you have a tough time understanding hyperbole.

          • RonMar

            I see you have a tough time understanding anything including there are standards of decency in language and behaviors in civilized society of which you have shown by your online actions that you are not a part.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            RonMar Esther • a month ago

            It doesn’t take any time. I do it in passing and unconsciously:).
            What did you think of the Wicca in that place? In a strange way Wicca …well…arouse me :).
            I assume you think that discussing what arouses you with a woman who is not your wife is decent language?

          • RonMar

            Obviously as with all other things on which you post you know nothing about my wife, yet you choose to mention her, pretending you do know something about her.
            At the same time you want your ex-wife, other family members, sons, daughter and invalid father left out of our conversations.
            Sorry, Jeffie, but you can’t have it both ways, your way and a different way for me. Some might put up with you making the rules or defining the playing field, but I don’t and won’t.
            You put your family into the conversations long ago with your unthinking posts. I hope you can actually learn something from that – what you have done to yourself in so many ways, the jeopardy in which you put yourself of your own free will.
            Were your sons ever in the BSA, are they now; you a BSA member or in your older life a BSA leader?

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            I was not discussing your wife, I was talking about how you are discussing sexual things with someone who is not your wife. Not the same thing, as anyone with a third grade reading level would understand.

            Now, you have mentioned your ex-wife before. But if you are divorced, you do not have a wife to be worried about. And if you are remarried, I see you are unconcerned about what the bible says about getting remarried.

            Matthew 19:9 (ESV)

            9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

            RonMar Glen S

            “Don’t seem to realized?” – LOL. You ought to realize you are illiterate in English, a sloppy poster, or both, but you don’t.
            TY for calling me “middle aged.” I never thought I might live to 140+ years.
            FYI, I am not “a … bully attempting to scare others,” not anyone as a matter of fact. You sound like my ex-wife who tried to convince that I threatened her with a gun. That was so funny I still laugh about it.”

            I did not say we cannot discuss my family, I have said I will not discuss my kids with Esther, who has an obsession with them. So, strike two on your reading comprehension. I did tell you to be careful what you said about my son, but that is not the same as telling you he is off limits.

            BTW, I found the post where I said he was riding a bike when he was hit by a car, which you said I never mentioned to you.

            Jeff Dixon RonMar

            “My son was 12 and riding a bike when someone hit him when they ran a red light. He was not stupid, drugged or drunk. Be careful what you post about my son who is not involved with this conversation, Ronnie.”

            Just a little FYI. I know how you seem so proud of your ability to recall events, but you obviously were not hitting all cylinders that night.
            Not that it is really any of your business, but I was in the BSA and my son was in the BSA. I was not a leader, but I did go on his overnight camping trips with him.
            So?

          • RonMar

            You said, “I was not discussing your wife,” yet you also said, “I assume you think that discussing what arouses you with a woman who is not your wife is decent language?”
            I told you, “Obviously as with all other things on which you post you know nothing about my wife, yet you choose to mention her, pretending you do know something about her.”
            Both of my statements are true. One of your statements is untrue for sure, and even you say in one of your statements “I assume.” Yes you assume, you do not know. You have probably heard how assume breaks down into making an “ass” out of “u,” but I modify the usual statement and assure you it does not make one of me, only you.
            I am near certain I have told you more than once before you are living your miserable life based on false assumptions and lies. You did not have to prove it again in another of your ridiculous, illogical, silly posts, but you did.
            As always you have no idea what the Bible really says about divorce and remarriage. If you knew a person that you trusted who understand the Bible you could learn. You might even be able to learn on your own if you knew how to read the Bible really and use readily-available helps to understanding the Bible. You could even take a home study, seminary or online course about the particular passages that you do not really understand and misuse this time as you always do.
            Yes, I guess I made a typo in one of the posts I made somewhere about something. Good catch. Your reading skills are improving slightly.
            Your next two paragraphs are incomprehensible blather, no doubt driven by your frustration and anger over being such a dimwit living such a miserable life of pain and suffering.
            Don’t kid yourself or lie to yourself. You certainly do not like it when I mention your daughter.
            Good job finding at least one post about your son riding a bike in front of a car vs, walking in front of a car as it makes a scintilla of difference. My sons grew up healthy knowing in a pedestrian or bike rider vs. vehicle encounter the vehicle by far usually wins at the expense of the walker or rider. But then, they grew up internationally and dealt with lots of different traffic and other situations, languages and such, so also did my grandchildren.
            Again I assure you that you brought some of your family but not all of it into the conversation with your whiny, complaining posts. Otherwise I would never have mentioned them.
            So, Jeff, we have yet another huge fail of a post for you, just like this guy who set the climate for what has befallen the BSA, US Armed Forces, etc., etc., etc., in the area of homosexual perverted behaviors and everything else he has ever touched or read about on his teleprompters:

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Yes, I said a woman who is not your wife. Someone who is not your wife is not the same as someone who is your wife. Therefore, I was not talking about your wife at all. Your reading comprehension skills continue to slide downward at an alarming rate.

          • RonMar

            Yes, you said, “a woman who is not your wife,” and in your post above you made reference to my wife four more times. How’s you wife, btw :)? Also your teen daughter, son hit by a vehicle and invalid father? For that matter, how are you? It has to be tough for you, being dull as you are, godless and having so many problems in your miserable life.
            I have an idea: I am going to try ignoring you and your foolishness again for awhile. I suggest you do the same with your posts to or about me and to or about the woman that you enjoy so much treating so badly, even committing an Online, Internet crime with your illegal, so immature, even childish request to her.
            I can’t imagine why you made such a request, what you wanted to do with what you asked her to send to you. I was shocked when I saw it in your file that I now have since you have threatened, tried to libel, made so many ad hominem attacks on me, other Christians, Christianity and all of the other godless things you do routinely.
            I have been asking around about your request and am getting some most interesting answers. Eventually I expect to be able to identify the answer(s) that best fit you and your sick, pathological behaviors.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Ronnie, if you want to stop posting your absurd comments, I will be the first to applaud you for it. I seriously doubt you will stop posting them, but stranger things have happened.
            If Esther wants to stop posting lies about me, I will be just as happy to applaud her for that as well. I seriously doubt she is capable of that. But time will tell.

          • RonMar

            As much as I want to ignore you I cannot resist the rich opportunity you have given me with your post above to point out again how inadequate, even hopeless and helpless you are.
            How arrogant and ignorant of you to imagine I care at all about your applause – approval – or disapproval. I have told you more than enough times by now, even you should get it, how insignificant you are to me, anyone or anything else I know.
            You failed massively to address anything of consequence in my post. Obviously you have no answers, meaningful comments, nothing intelligent to say.
            I have never seen Esther post a lie about you; you have never proven that she has. She so owns you, you are so obsessed with her that you cannot stop mentioning her, cannot shut your mouth about her and stop attacking her. Clearly you are no man worthy of the world man.
            I have no doubt you want me to go away, you never to see or hear of or from me again. I have told you the best thing for you to do to make that happen: Stop posting to or about me anywhere, anytime on any subject, same for Esther. Stop attacking Christians and Christianity, the Bible, you know little-nothing about any of that anyway as you prove over and over again. Go back to your blog site and let people come to you there.
            You want to engage in a Culture War against Christians, Christianity,

            God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, any Supreme Being-based religion and not have any response to you. That’s not the way it has worked, is working now or will ever work. Try to get that through your thick, empty head.

            Your behaviors, words and actions are evil, serve Satan, and you are a loser as evil has always lost to good, is now and will forevermore.
            Again, I urge you to do the right thing: Shut up. Get off the news thread forums. Go to your blog site and do what you do there.
            There and only there can you have your way as you want it.

          • Marie W

            Uncalled for accusations.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          That does not change the reality that a single church has not created a world wide organization.

          • RonMar

            You miss the point as usual.